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Does God Ordain Everything That Takes Place?

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Mikey

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Unfortunately, a Christian may compromise the principle of the self-attesting word of God, and apply unbiblical criteria for assessing the nature of the bible and its message. They will rearrange its parts; reconstruct its history, remove texts which do not fit their particular philosophy, and reinterpret the whole in light of his own presuppositions which are the product of God-denying thought. Many people have rejected biblical presuppositions, in favour of humanistic ones. - Goldsworthy

I think this applies to many on this board.
 
agedman

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Mikey said:
Unfortunately, a Christian may compromise the principle of the self-attesting word of God, and apply unbiblical criteria for assessing the nature of the bible and its message. They will rearrange its parts; reconstruct its history, remove texts which do not fit their particular philosophy, and reinterpret the whole in light of his own presuppositions which are the product of God-denying thought. Many people have rejected biblical presuppositions, in favour of humanistic ones. - Goldsworthy

I think this applies to many on this board.
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Interesting quote. I make this personal observation on how it impacted me.

One of the aspects of my life's work has been to search out presuppositions and see if they are indeed grounded in the Scriptures.

For when I come before my Savior and I see him in all His glory, I will cast myself at His feet in hope that I not be so very ashamed to find that in some great manner I have not used His Words properly or compromised by communicated error.
 
Mikey

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agedman said:
Interesting quote. I make this personal observation on how it impacted me.

One of the aspects of my life's work has been to search out presuppositions and see if they are indeed grounded in the Scriptures.

For when I come before my Savior and I see him in all His glory, I will cast myself at His feet in hope that I not be so very ashamed to find that in some great manner I have not used His Words properly or compromised by communicated error.
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To be honest i think everyone needs to look at their presuppositions/ foundation of their beliefs and whether it is buit on scripture or philosophy/ideology of the world.
 
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SavedByGrace said:
ordain

(of God or someone in authority) to order something to happen

If God ORDERS it, then He CAUSES it. If I ORDER a person to be murdered, it is as good as I DOING it myself.

Don't try to explain that ORDAIN does not make God the author of evil and sin, because it DOES! And this is BLASPHEMY.
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You are clueless.Over 35 words are used in 3 languages to get at what is involved in discussing this topic.
It seems as if you lack the spiritual maturity to work through this topic however you seem to have the deluded idea that you are going to set the world straight as if everyone is waiting for you to enlighten us.
 
SavedByGrace

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Mikey said:
Unfortunately, a Christian may compromise the principle of the self-attesting word of God, and apply unbiblical criteria for assessing the nature of the bible and its message. They will rearrange its parts; reconstruct its history, remove texts which do not fit their particular philosophy, and reinterpret the whole in light of his own presuppositions which are the product of God-denying thought. Many people have rejected biblical presuppositions, in favour of humanistic ones. - Goldsworthy

I think this applies to many on this board.
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yes this applies mainly to the way the "Reformed/Calvinists" deal with the Bible!
 
SavedByGrace

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Iconoclast said:
You are clueless.Over 35 words are used in 3 languages to get at what is involved in discussing this topic.
It seems as if you lack the spiritual maturity to work through this topic however you seem to have the deluded idea that you are going to set the world straight as if everyone is waiting for you to enlighten us.
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dude your main problem is that you are REFORMED, so that you simply cannot see the ERRORS of your system!
 
Mikey

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SavedByGrace said:
yes this applies mainly to the way the "Reformed/Calvinists" deal with the Bible!
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Theistic humanism assumes there is a God but, incommon with atheistic humanism, asserts that man is in control of gaining knowledge. He gains true knowledge from nature through their senses, and reasons on this basis what is the correct approach to the study of the bible.

Theistic humanism assumes that man's knowledge-gaining is not hindered by the fact of sin. Sin is seen as a cause of some confusion, but it does not alter man's ability to percieve the truth in nature. Sin does not in any way remove man's freedom of will. Thus, free will is thought of as the ability to determine something which is not determined by God. God does not work everything in conformity with thre purpose of his will, but rather he must waith upon man's decisions.

Are you a Theistic humanist?
 
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SavedByGrace,

dude your main problem is that you are REFORMED, so that you simply cannot see the ERRORS of your system!
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I do not have any problem here.
I am in the mainstream of Historic confessional thought.
I work to challenge and improve my understanding of these teachings each day, with a view to sharpen up my presentation of the biblical gospel.
I deal with persons like you who are in error, but do not know it.
I expose your error , and offer biblical correction.
Many times those like you have an agenda and do not welcome the correction.
Over the years that have been several who accepted the correction, and moved on.

Others have offered solid teaching that adds to my understanding. In the archives you can see posts, by Biblicist, Tom Cassidy, and others, who are posting to edify, not attack. Several posters on here who do not share your agenda, look to Help.
 
SavedByGrace

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Mikey said:
Theistic humanism assumes there is a God but, incommon with atheistic humanism, asserts that man is in control of gaining knowledge. He gains true knowledge from nature through their senses, and reasons on this basis what is the correct approach to the study of the bible.

Theistic humanism assumes that man's knowledge-gaining is not hindered by the fact of sin. Sin is seen as a cause of some confusion, but it does not alter man's ability to percieve the truth in nature. Sin does not in any way remove man's freedom of will. Thus, free will is thought of as the ability to determine something which is not determined by God. God does not work everything in conformity with thre purpose of his will, but rather he must waith upon man's decisions.

Are you a Theistic humanist?
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I am a Biblicist :Biggrin a rare breed. Have you heard of us :Laugh
 
SavedByGrace

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Iconoclast said:
SavedByGrace,




I do not have any problem here.
I am in the mainstream of Historic confessional thought.
I work to challenge and improve my understanding of these teachings each day, with a view to sharpen up my presentation of the biblical gospel.
I deal with persons like you who are in error, but do not know it.
I expose your error , and offer biblical correction.
Many times those like you have an agenda and do not welcome the correction.
Over the years that have been several who accepted the correction, and moved on.

Others have offered solid teaching that adds to my understanding. In the archives you can see posts, by Biblicist, Tom Cassidy, and others, who are posting to edify, not attack. Several posters on here who do not share your agenda, look to Help.
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Reformed and Calvinists are in the greater MINORITY in the world.

For which we must Praise the Good Lord :Whistling
 
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