Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation

[Revmitchell]

[2 Timothy 1:8-11 NASB95]

Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity, but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle and a teacher.​

How many times, in how many ways, must God tell us it is 100% Him and 0% us before we believe it?

Define works from scripture

 

[Van]

SNIP

It is certain you do not know what it means. Your view (i.e. the view of Calvinism) perverts truth.

Conditional Election is monergistic, since God alone determines whether our worthless faith is credited as righteousness. To claim God does not desire for the lost to put their faith in Christ is ludicrous.

 

[Van]

Define works from scripture

Something not according to grace. Romans 4:16

 

[Revmitchell]

Perhaps understanding the damnable false teaching of salvation by works might clear this up. I am sure you don't believe YOU have to "do" something to be saved. BTW, "doing" is a work. "Adding" to what God has done is a work.

You say "Believing" isn't a "work"?? "Accepting" isn't a "work"??

Perhaps understanding simple English will help: Webster #1 definition of "work" = "activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result."

So, in the false doctrine of synergistic (cooperative) salvation, if man "cooperates" with the Spirit (your word) but such "cooperation" (doing a good work and we know that all we do, even good things, is vile and filthy to holy God) is now to be called NOT doing something? Or is it George Orwell's "Newspeak"

Now define it from scripture

 

[Revmitchell]

Something not according to grace. Romans 4:16

Not to be contrary but that is about as much a non answer as one can get. what is the something? Further that is not from scripture. No scripture was involved in your answer. Please provide scripture and follow that up with clear reasoning.

 

[kyredneck]

How many times, in how many ways, must God tell us it is 100% Him and 0% us before we believe it?

Not so with @SavedByGrace.

It is of SavedByGrace that SavedByGrace is in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 1:30

(SavedByGrace doesn't even understand the meaning of his own moniker)

 

[SavedByGrace]

Not so with @SavedByGrace.

It is of SavedByGrace that SavedByGrace is in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 1:30

(SavedByGrace doesn't even understand the meaning of his own moniker)

and you like some on here, don't understand that all sinners are required of themselves repent of their sins and believe in the Gospel. This is PRIOR to salvation, which means that the sinner is INVOLVED! This is what the Bible says, reformed misinformation is against the Bible!

 

[Van]

Not to be contrary but that is about as much a non answer as one can get. what is the something? Further that is not from scripture. No scripture was involved in your answer. Please provide scripture and follow that up with clear reasoning.

LOL, here we have a denial of scripture.

 

[Revmitchell]

LOL, here we have a denial of scripture.

Ok thanks for reminding me why I don't engage you. I tend to forget these things.

 

[kyredneck]

the sinner is INVOLVED! This is what the Bible says

No, it's NOT what the Bible says.

6 For behold your calling, brethren, that not many wise after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put to shame them that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;
28 and the base things of the world, and the things that are despised, did God choose, yea and the things that are not, that he might bring to nought the things that are:
29 that no flesh should glory before God.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption: 1 Cor 1

But SavedByGrace is different, he did the choosing.

It is of SavedByGrace that SavedByGrace is in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 1:30

Glory SavedByGrace, glory.

(And once again, SavedByGrace doesn't even understand the meaning of his own moniker)

 

[Van]

Ok thanks for reminding me why I don't engage you. I tend to forget these things.

Yet another "against the person" aside, ignoring the fact Calvinism denies biblical monergism. Faith is not works. Full Stop.
God crediting our faith (or not) makes conditional election monergistic. Full Stop

Pay no attention to those who pervert truth.

 

[Van]

Calvinists deny "Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation"

They claim salvation depends on man-made doctrine rather than scripture.

Romans 9:16 says salvation does not depend on the man that wills, but Calvinism says it means salvation does not depend on the man that is unable to will.

They say no one (as an unregenerate) seeks God, thus they deny all the verses describing unregenerates seeking God.

They say people actually in the process of entering the Kingdom were not seeking God.

When scripture says once we were children of wrath, they say it means the elect were never children of wrath.

When scripture says we were chosen for salvation through our faith when credited by God as righteousness, they say we were not chosen through faith, but instead were chosen without faith.

Calvinism ignores Romans 4:16 and says faith is works and not according to grace.

 

[SavedByGrace]

No, it's NOT what the Bible says.

6 For behold your calling, brethren, that not many wise after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put to shame them that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;
28 and the base things of the world, and the things that are despised, did God choose, yea and the things that are not, that he might bring to nought the things that are:
29 that no flesh should glory before God.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption: 1 Cor 1

But SavedByGrace is different, he did the choosing.

It is of SavedByGrace that SavedByGrace is in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 1:30

Glory SavedByGrace, glory.

When Jesus says, "many are CALLED", do you know that the Greek says INVITED?

What does INVITED mean, a CHOICE, that can be ACCEPTED or REJECTED.

In The Parable of the Wedding Feast, in Matthew 22, you will see that those who were originally INVITERD, REJECTED the INVITATION!

Read your Bible more and less fancy theology books!

 

[kyredneck]

@Van, get a grip on your CDS, there's no need to start shouting, please.

 

[Van]

@Van, get a grip on your CDS, there's no need to start shouting, please.

Please address the topic, and end your use of logical fallacies to hide your false doctrine.

Calvinists deny "Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation"

They claim salvation depends on man-made doctrine rather than scripture.

Romans 9:16 says salvation does not depend on the man that wills, but Calvinism says it means salvation does not depend on the man that is unable to will.

They say no one (as an unregenerate) seeks God, thus they deny all the verses describing unregenerates seeking God.

They say people actually in the process of entering the Kingdom were not seeking God.

When scripture says once we were children of wrath, they say it means the elect were never children of wrath.

When scripture says we were chosen for salvation through our faith when credited by God as righteousness, they say we were not chosen through faith, but instead were chosen without faith.

Calvinism ignores Romans 4:16 and says faith is works and not according to grace.

 

[kyredneck]

Much better.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Calvinism ignores Romans 4:16 and says faith is works and not according to grace

Please address the topic, and end your use of logical fallacies to hide your false doctrine.

Calvinists deny "Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation"

They claim salvation depends on man-made doctrine rather than scripture.

Romans 9:16 says salvation does not depend on the man that wills, but Calvinism says it means salvation does not depend on the man that is unable to will.

They say no one (as an unregenerate) seeks God, thus they deny all the verses describing unregenerates seeking God.

They say people actually in the process of entering the Kingdom were not seeking God.

When scripture says once we were children of wrath, they say it means the elect were never children of wrath.

When scripture says we were chosen for salvation through our faith when credited by God as righteousness, they say we were not chosen through faith, but instead were chosen without faith.

Calvinism ignores Romans 4:16 and says faith is works and not according to grace.

are you a closet Calvinist?

 

[kyredneck]

In The Parable of the Wedding Feast, in Matthew 22, you will see that those who were originally INVITERD, REJECTED the INVITATION!

Read your Bible more and less fancy theology books!

I've already pointed out to you the error of building your doctrine from riddles. You're no better at understanding the parables than those Jews of Christ's day; you just try to wrest the meaning from them that you're looking for.

 

[Van]

are you a closet Calvinist?

I post with clarity and do not hide my views. Totally unlike those who ask questions rather than make statements.

Calvinists deny "Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation"

They claim salvation depends on man-made doctrine rather than scripture.

Romans 9:16 says salvation does not depend on the man that wills, but Calvinism says it means salvation does not depend on the man that is unable to will.

They say no one (as an unregenerate) seeks God, thus they deny all the verses describing unregenerates seeking God.

They say people actually in the process of entering the Kingdom were not seeking God.

When scripture says once we were children of wrath, they say it means the elect were never children of wrath.

When scripture says we were chosen for salvation through our faith when credited by God as righteousness, they say we were not chosen through faith, but instead were chosen without faith.

Calvinism ignores Romans 4:16 and says faith is works and not according to grace.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I've already pointed out to you the error of building your doctrine from riddles. You're no better at understanding the parables than those Jews of Christ's day.

Jesus speaks very clearly here, as He does elsewhere. It is your theology this is the real riddle, and it misrepresents what the Bible says!