Featured The GOD that refuses to save

Rom 10:9; if you confess
Joh 3:18; He who believes
Joh 5:40; you are unwilling
Eph 1:13; having also believed
Rom 10:13; WHOEVER WILL CALL
Joh 7:17; If anyone is willing to do His will

Man is responsible for the free will choices that they make, and as you can see from the verses above they can and some do choose to follow Christ Jesus.

Martin you do seem to have a problem with logic in your post. You want man to be freely drawn irresistibly. If it is by an irresistible force that one is drawn then man does not have a choice thus it is not done freely.

 

Really?

For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:13

The context is about those who are already born again believers as verse 13 shows

 

The Lord greatly LOVES the entire human race and yet ALL will not be saved.

Your reasoning is moot

 

Loves all in a general sense, but not in a saving Covenant relationship sense!

 

So you do not see that God expects man to make real choices. So everyone is right where God has determined them to be as no one has a free will according to you.

Have to ask, how do you know that you are saved since you do not have a free will and did not choose to follow Christ Jesus. As Calvin said, your faith may just be false so that God can make you suffer more when you are cast into hell for your unbelief.

 

John 3.16 is Saving Love

 

Yes, towards the elect in Christ!

 

You are confusing Total depravity with Total inability. When the bible shows us that God expects us to make real choices and a theological view comes along and disagrees with what the bible says, who do you think one should listen to?

 

It clearly says the world as the entire human race. Which even Calvin agrees with

 

John 3:16-18

 

I am reminded of a story that Alistair Begg told.

A man would come up to him after nearly every service and tell him "I'm thinking of becoming a Christian soon." Alistair Begg would respond with, "You are not ready. Go home."
The man kept doing this and Alistair Begg would respond the same way.
Finally, after one service, the man came to him in tears, and said, "I am hopeless and I desperately need a Savior. How can I be saved?" Alistair welcomed him back to his office and pointed him toward faith in Christ.

There are millions and millions of people who think they can dictate to God the terms of service and how they will or will not follow his commands. They want to control the terms and choose to either be in or out of God's service. These are the people whom God says "I never knew you."
Those who are brought by God, to God, knowing they have nothing to offer and no bargaining chip...who are empty of any hope and fall at the mercy of the King....those are the ones God knows and welcomes in.

Those who are making bargains with God are haters of God precisely because they think their willpower is superior or at least equal to God's. They demand control and thus hate the idea of being a slave to righteousness. Thus, the unsaved are all haters of God.

 

Where do you com up with this idea. read
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

Do you read the bible or do you just read calvinist articles that prop up your view?

 

Scriptures

 

Calvin held to limited atonement

 

If you wish to explain and defend your calvinist beliefs then do so without denying scripture. Cherry picking a few verses to support the TULIP or DoG may work for those that do not think but for us that do they will not work.

Calvinists are the ones that say they have no free will so you cannot even say that anything you stand for is really true as you have been determined to think that way. Remember it is your WCF / LBCF and TULIP that set your standard.

 

John Calvin, had this to say on this verse:

“That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.”

Calvin’s own language is what is not used by any “Calvinist” who believes in “Limited Atonement”. “all men without distinction” is the language that a “Calvinist” would use, so as to distort what the Bible actually teaches, yet the “Calvinists” own “leader”, John Calvin, himself believed that Jesus Christ dies for THE WHOLE WORLD, that is, EVERY HUMAN BEING!

Robert Dabney, who was a Calvinist, has this to say on the use of “kosmos” here:

“In Jno.iii.16, make ‘the world’ which Christ loved, to mean ‘the elect world’, and we reach the absurdity, that some of the elect may not believe, and perish…since Christ made expiation for every man” (Systematic Theology, p.525)

 

Calvin was addressing the general call made to all lost sinners, but he also held to a specific saving call only to His own elect!

 

When one reads Romans chapters 9 to 11, as they are meant to be read, in context, Paul's argument is clear, especially in light of other scriptures. When he speaks of not of him that willeth he is not negating the idea of libertarian free will, he is saying that man does not get to dictate his own will to God as to how salvation should work or who to save.
Paul is referring to Moses.

Moses had willed God to spare the people and destroy him instead in Exodus 32:

Exo 32:31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
Exo 32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin - ; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
Exo 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me [NOT "whosoever is not an eternally elect"], him will I blot out of my book.

It is in direct relation to this exchange that in the next chapter God tells Moses:

Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

Clearly then, it is not of him that willeth is simply a reference to the fact no man has the authority to set or debate the criteria of salvation according to his own will/desire/plan/understanding.

God's New Testament criterion is: it is not by following the law of Moses (him that runneth) but rather by believing the gospel (the righteousness which is of faith).
The Jews could not accept that, and that's what Paul was dealing with.

As the brother said above, Calvinism has highjacked the text.
But if you believe you were enlightened unto Calvinism because the tenor of Romans 9, taken out of context, jives with the Calvinistic model, then you are snared (just as I was for 3 years) and can hardly break out.

 

See his words

EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION