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No. Elect to salvation before the foundation of the world, but no, not saved from the foundation of the world.

 

Nope.

FOr you to totally ignore the OT quotes and the actual OT testimony of Jacob and Esau is sad.

Did I say election was unconditional? NOPE

I am not the one who falsely accused you my friend.

I am not here to discuss the 5 points of calvin or the 5 antipoints of arminian. I am here to discuss the word of God.

If you read my posts. and think I am a clavinist. You have more problems than I can help you with.

Christ died for ALL.

Only with the help of God. But as romans 1 says, even the heathen knows God so they have no excuse

dude, This is getting out of Hand

If you refuse to look at what I say. Then I can not go on with you.

whoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved!!

 

lol. IT WAS NOT ABOUT ELECTION OF TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So everything else you said here is meaningless

 

Well yeah. If you want to support your position.

Again, he did not say elect. He said none. None means none.

I suggest we try not to add words to the word Of God.

 

But they can not save themselves or chose to recieve the gift of Life, so does it really matter?

 

Of course it matters.

 

Of course none means none, but who are the none referring to? That's a big issue.

 

it means done. He means literally, he is willing that none should perish.

It does not mean that no one will perish. It just means that is his thought..

 

No not really.

If fatalism is true. Salvation is already set in stone.

 

Good thing we aren't talking about fatalism.

 

WHO is the none referring to? If he does not WILL for any person to perish, nobody would perish.

 

This is only true if double predestination is factual. Its not.

Salvation is given only to those who hear the word and have faith in that word. To those who believe. To those who have seen and believe, which is the will of God.

God has the right, in proving he is a loving God. to set aside his sovereignty to only give his precious gift based on his precious sons death to those who want it. He also has the right to allow those who do not want it to continue against his will to die in unbelief. and against his will. send them to Hell prepared for Satan and his angels.

We are justified only by faith. We are made alive, or regenerated only because of justification.

You can't twist these terms and meanings and make them what they are not..

 

Matthew 23:37
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

this does not help your line of thinking. Looking at it your way. Jesus will would have been done wither Jerusalem was willing or not.

 

Another out of context verse, is that seriously all you know how to do?

 

Even if that was true, I wanted to see how Romans 5 proves either Pelagianism or Universalism (The TITLE says the "OPPOSITE" of Calvinism ... so that would be "God chooses EVERYONE or God chooses NOBODY - they all save themselves).

 

I mean look, I get it, you don't like what the text actually states. You are a humanist, that's fine, but it's wrong.

 

So if it does not agree with your theology it is out of Context?

And you expect me to come to your point of view when you do things like this?

 

Romans 9 KJV[/QUOTE]

 

So I do not agree with you and I am all of a sudden a humanist.

lol. This takes us full circle to my first post to you. You can't refute what I say, so you mock and make comments which have no bearing on our conversation.

I love what the word says. Just because I do not agree with you means I am wrong.. You should practice what you preach my friend..

Your a fatalist. And thats wrong. There. Two can play that game. but where did it get us?

SMH

 

No it is out of context because it is out of context.