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Supplement as in NOT adding to sacred scriptures, but as to in addition to, in order to read what those gifts by God for insight into the scriptures have penned down for us!

 

Sorry, but the teaching of John Calvin was a small tumor to begin with, localized in the body with the pain being limited. However, over time it has metastasized and now it is adversely sickening the whole body. It reminds me of what Jesus said in one of the seven parables that he gives in Matt 13 which prophetically chronicles this entire church age and gives the character proceeding forward. He said, "a little leaven leavens the whole lump." Isn't that what has happened after two thousand years of church history? Ironically, he said a woman put the leaven in it and the universal church is the mother of the Calvinist philosophy. It was three measures of meal that was affected and neither Shem, Ham, or Japheth, the inhabitants of the world, have escaped this leaven.

Jesus said rhetorically, "when I come again will I find faith on the earth." Paul said at the time of the end of the church age it would be marked by "deceiving and being deceived." Here is one some of the folks here will identify with; They will "heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." The heap of teachers (not pastors) will probably be writing plenty of books.

Beware! The man who gets deceived might be you.

 

"You may whet your appetite for logic, but you cannot with your heart believe unto righteousness while you occupy your thoughts, your tongues, or your pens wrangling about Calvinism and Arminianism, sublapsarianism and supra-lapsarianism, or any of the endless controversies of the schoolmen and sectarians! 'Lovest thou me?'...Canst thou give an affirmative answer? Will thy conscience, thy life, thy God, attest the verity of thy love to Him? then, though thou be no doctor of divinity, though thou canst not decipher the niceties of systematic theology, though thou art unable to rebut one in a thousand of the subtleties of the adversary, yet you have an unction from the Holy One! thy love approves thee, thy faith has saved thee, and He whom thy soul loveth will keep thee, for time and for eternity thou art blessed." —Charles Spurgeon, "Do I Love the Lord or No?"

 

Calvinism in regards to Sotierology proper much better then the other alternatives in the church!

 

You will admit it has limited effects and limited potential. I can see where someone who fancies themselves in the very small number who have achieved salvation would champion it much more than anyone else.

 

JonC,

Lets look briefly at how JonC prizes the reformers and puritans

[QUOTEBUT you focus on the works of Reformed Christians. Your "diet" is restricted to men who "tickle your ears".

I'm not saying it is bad to read the opinions of men like John Owen, John Gill and John Knox. But it is bad to disciple yourself under the teaching of men.][/QUOTE]

JonC,

news flash...every one posts their own views

Yes...the above quotes are only from one thread, the hebrews 2 thread.

Speaking of character, almost every cal on this board and some non cals have questioned the honest of your posts. Many right on this thread.
Some solid pastors and teachers no longer post here becaus eof this very thing. I do answer back after awhile, and the non cals do not like it because their error is exposed.....Like when you said things happen by Chance


[QUOTE]When you devolve into falsely accusing brothers in Christ you lose your argument. It demonstrates you are unable to defend your position, are too proud to admit it, and have such a spiritual deficiency that you are willing to make false accusations.[/QUOTE]

Here is the exact problem; You suggest
1]I am falsely accusing people

2]I am unable to defend my position

3]am to proud to admit it

4]have a spiritual deficiency

5]willing to amke false accusations

You are the one doing this to All cals.They have spoken upseveral right on this thread.

I put a few up, but there are many more...

I can and will, but it takes time, and when I continue to expose your nonsense you will deflect and deny like you have been doing, except now everyone is looking for it.

You say that now, but the small sample above says something else, does'nt it?

...

This post alone shows the absurdity of your posting. No one anytime soon is going to improve upon the Grace and Duty of being Spiritually Minded, Sin and Temptation, Mortification of sin, which are all intensely relevant

So you profess to be an advocate of study books on one hand, but now suggest they are not relevant and to turn away from them
Can anyone here recall JONC that great lover of puritans and reformers, offering quotes from any of them, being he claims to be so keen on them?

 

NONE of us who hold to it see us meriting salvation, or achieving it, as that is do all to the grace of God!

 

It depends on how you look at the words meriting salvation. Something has made you more attractive to God than the vast majority of the human race. Defining God as having much grace for one is the same thing as defining him as having no grace for the other. No? Some scripture writer called him the God of all grace.

 

Here is more love for the reformers;

JonC has been all in on their writings as he now professesLets see how he esteems them

[QUOTEAgain, brother, you are proving my point. I have appealed to Scripture. You appeal to 17th century Reformed theology.][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE Most often you drift into philosophy, Reformed theology, and the writings of men you have chosen to follow.You are wrong in the accusation that Scripture is mot enough, that God's Words are "empty husks" without Reformed philosophy, that God revealed His truth via progressive revelation, that the Bible is a bunch of "dots" that need connecting, that wecare to follow Reformed teachers as "given to the world" by God, that we rely not on God's Word but its "teachings when properly understood".][/QUOTE]

[QUOTEI encourage you to try to set aside the works of men for a few days and study the Word of God. Stick with Scripture. You will find it, believe it or not, sufficient and not lacking....far from the "empty husks" awaiting to be filled by Reformed teachers you imply it is.][/QUOTE]

here from the where did the wrath of God go thread;
JonC,
Here are 8 helpful/insults offered by you that you do all the time.
1)[When it comes to our redemption why should we place our faith in human understanding...in the philosophies of men??[

No one has done this.You ignore the role of God given pastors and teaching to your own ascended master kind of pronouncements.
2)[God gave us His Word. God's Word is not, as you claim, an "empty husk" when not accompanied by Reformed teachings.]
When you offer it out of context ignoring the words in the text, the descriptor empty husks will suffice as you in reality have taken the core of the meaning away.

3)[I want the best for you, brother. You have a zeal to share the gospel. But rather than experiencing the meat of the Word you suckled on the milk and turned back to "worldly wisdom" and humanistic philosophy.]
Now you edify by suggesting milk,worldly wisdom,humanistic philosophy, are being offered by Turretin, Vos, Owen,Pink, Matthew Henry, etc.
They cannot come close to you,lol.
4)[Please consider that God gave us His Word so that we woukd understand, so that we would be equipped to teach the Word. Scripture is co.pkete and perfect because God is complete and perfect. ]
So...when Reformed teachers present it,they are not equipped, but you our ascended master post....you are equipped....starting to see a pattern.
5)[You do not need to continue exchanging God's Word for what men who "tickle your ears" tell you God is teaching. His Word is right before you.]
You cannot answer the links or the teaching of the Cals on here, so you ridicule as if it will elevate your posts. It is not working...we see right through it

6)[Just accept Scripture as true...not as pointing you to another "teaching" but as actually teaching what is written.]
I do with understanding.
7)[Your zeal to share the gospel is overshadowed by it much too often not being the gospel that you are sharing. It I'd past time that you move on to "solid food". You had the milk but tried formula, and there remained. Seek out the meat of Scripture. Leave man's opinions and philosophies behind.]
Yet another insult that is false.
8)[I promise, you will be better for it. If you need help, simply ask. But get to Scripture as quickly as you are able.]
Lol...maybe you need to examine your own ways..

#45Iconoclast, Mar 19, 2022

 

from that thread;
JonC,

[Please quote where I said there is a difference between what Scriptures teaches and what the Anabaptists teach. We can go from there.

Or....were you making a false accusation?

Please post where I confessed to being influenced by Anabaptist writings (I do not hold Anabaptist Theology).

Or....were you making false accusations?

This is a false claim. I never said that I agree or disagree with Anabaotist Theology when it comes to this topic. You are again making assumptions.

There is not one Anabaptist's view. Do you understand what the Anabaptists are and were????]

I know who they were.lol

YOU DO NOT LIKE MY POSTS?

YOU THINK MY POSTS ARE FALSE ACCUSATIONS?

My last dozen posts were copy and paste of your posts...lol.
I just reversed what you do to us.
I copied your false accusations and pasted them back to you.
How do you like your own posts?
Look at the posts.....it is your words pasted on this page...do you see how foolish your posting is?

We asked yo u to stop doing it, but you would not....do you see why now?

#127Iconoclast, Mar 20, 2022

JonC responded;

I took quotes from this thread from your posts...If you noticed I repeated the same verses from Jn.3, each time you asked me to clarify. That is what you do to us. We ask you to clarify....you repeat .he bore our sins, he bore our sins...over and over....Then I quoted sentences and a few times direct paragraphs you posted, of course I had to switch your name for mine, so you would not catch on too fast,lol
I like your indignation as you claimed "false accusations",l ol that is exactly what you have done to each of us

 

Did God favor the Jewish people in the OT because they had ANYTHING over any other group?
No, was due to His grace and choosing them to bring in the Messiah!

 

Do you accept the Pauline Justification that was the very center of the reformation?

 

Where is this? Give me a link, please.

 

May I have the link, please? I would like to read the original.