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Maybe you could read what I posted.

The spirit is SEPERATED from God (spiritually dead)

Lifeless spirit was not in my words.

 

Here is what you posted:

I agree that our human spirit/soul is separated from God because of our unholiness. I did not see, and still do not see where you said the spirit was able to seek God in its separated state. Your phrasing suggested to me that our dead spirit could not interact with God.

How could our dead spirit be troubled as our soul can be troubled?
How could our dead spirit be willing to keep watching and praying not to come to temptation?
How could our dead spirit know our thoughts?

 

In the post previous to this, I posted the following

Who said anything about seeking God? where do people come up with these things. I never said we would seek God..

Your dead spirit is not dead as in anialated.

It is dead as in seperated from God. there is a barrier between God and man, It is seen in the law. When the tabernacle (presence of God) was put in the middle of the assembly. And NO one could approach God. If they did they would die physically.

 

why could not one but the high priest, and only him AFTER multiple sacrifices. Not enter the holy of Holys (presence of God) unless they would die?

The penalty of sin is death. I hope you do not think it is physical death. We are dead. I was dead in tresspasses and sin, and have been made alive, what was made alive? My spirit?

I am confused as to why spiritual death seems to be an unknown or confused issue in a baptist thread..

 

I see what your saying.

Spiritual death is a deep issue, I do not think we have even begun to explain it.

 

LOL, once again nothing has been clarified, except that EG did indeed indicate being dead included being separated. But as to the affect of the separation, crickets.

My post:
I agree that our human spirit/soul is separated from God because of our unholiness. I did not see, and still do not see where you said the spirit was able to seek God in its separated state. Your phrasing suggested to me that our dead spirit could not interact with God. [Edit: Post 30 demonstrates I was correct]

How could our dead spirit be troubled as our soul can be troubled?
How could our dead spirit be willing to keep watching and praying not to come to temptation?
How could our dead spirit know our thoughts?​

Can a dead (meaning separated from God) human spirit seek God as in praying to God to not come to temptation? (Matthew 26:41) Will EG answer this question?

Basically our human spirit has attributes and attitudes, thus is also contains our soul. Thus we are two parts, our human spirit/soul and our flesh.

 

Spirit of us is the spiritual aspect that was created in Adam to relate with and commune with God, but that aspect died when he fell, and so only the saved would have that part still active and functioning!

 

If EG has not answered this question so many times in so many posts since he has been here. EG would not be so frustrated that he continues to get asked this question.

you will have to forgive me, Frustration in getting the same question asked over and over is over the top.

WE DO NOT SEEK GOD. I DID NOT SEEK GOD. I only seeked for answers to my questions. God is the one who drew me to himself by answering my questions

I have said this more times than I can imagine to count. So why people keep asking me if we can seek God. Well that is beyond my imagination.

 

Are you unable to explain how the human spirit sought God by praying as in Matthew 26:41?

Basically our human spirit has attributes and attitudes, thus is also contains our soul. Thus we are two parts, our human spirit/soul and our flesh.

 

40 Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “What! Could you not watch with Me one hour? 41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

The ones Jesus spoke to in Matt 26 are spiritually alive.. So not sure of your question.

 

Fiction, no one was made alive before Christ died. Where are individuals made alive? "Together with Christ." Ephesians 2:5

Romans 6:5
For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
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Note we are "United with" Christ after His death. Where do we undergo the washing of regeneration? In Christ, not before.

 

Ah, So when Abraham believed God and it was accredited to him as righteousness. He was spiritually dead still?

Sorry bro, I am not buying it.

 

You seem not buy loads of scripture.
1) No one was "made alive," "quicken," "regenerated," "born anew," "baptized into Christ," or "transferred in the kingdom of Christ" before Christ died. This is fundamental Christianity that your doctrine denies. Your doctrine removes the barrier before Christ paid the ransom. Absurd nonsense!!

2) The fact is that the lost, having their human spirit separated by unholiness from God (spiritually dead), still sometimes seek God as in Matthew 26:41. The OT has loads of verses where the lost sought God.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:23

Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely. And may your spirit, soul, and body be kept sound and blameless for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

 

Lol

I just go with reality. The barrier was removed from Abraham, And Noah, and others

Tats what it means wen it says God credited to Abraham account righteousness. it was not his righteousness, It was God lookin forward to Christs righteousness. You limit God to time. God is outside of time.

if not. Abraham could not be credited with righteousness, and They would have died dead outside christ. That was not the case.

But hey. To each his own..

 

Still no answer to Matthew 26:41!! You do not go with reality, but with scripture nullification. If the verse does not fit, deny it.

Your barrier to seeking God is a fiction of your doctrine. Your view that the human sole is not part of our human spirit conflicts with scripture after scripture.

What it means when Romans 4:4-5 says God credited his faith as righteousness, is that unregenerate Abraham had put his faith in God and His promises, and God knowing Abraham's heart credited that faith as righteousness.

You seem not buy loads of scripture.
1) No one was "made alive," "quicken," "regenerated," "born anew," "baptized into Christ," or "transferred in the kingdom of Christ" before Christ died. This is fundamental Christianity that your doctrine denies. Your doctrine removes the barrier before Christ paid the ransom. Absurd nonsense!!

2) The fact is that the lost, having their human spirit separated by unholiness from God (spiritually dead), still sometimes seek God as in Matthew 26:41. The OT has loads of verses where the lost sought God.

Our soul is part of our human spirit, based on both being described in scripture in the same way.

 

2 Kings 4:27
But she came to the man of God at the hill and took hold of his feet. And Gehazi came up to push her away, but the man of God said, “Leave her alone, for her soul is troubled within her; and the LORD has concealed it from me and has not informed me.”

Compare with Genesis 41:8 where the spirit is troubled. The same response indicates the soul and spirit are united.

 

And the LORD God formed man of (A) the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils (B) the breath of life; and man became (C) a living soul.

IMHO
A + B = C

The formed dust of the ground at that moment, without, life spirit <rûaḥ, in the breath < nᵊšāmâ of God was inert soul, non living.

God breathed spirit life into it and it became soul living.

At death the following takes place.

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The soul, person of the former living person without life, dead, Ecc 12:7 to Hades.