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Pretty sure a direct response to your post is not me trying to change the subject. Nor was it a false charge.

 

1) You hold some false doctrine, and 2) You're very often not clear. For instance:

"Washing of regeneration" is just a way of saying born again. It's not describing a process by which we receive righteousness. The righteousness we receive by faith is Christ's righteousness. No one's faith apart from that is counted as righteousness.

 

Would you agree that:

The moment God makes a person alive with Christ and grants them faith, they are also justified by that faith and made righteous before God.

Or do you take exception to what I have stated?

 

You didn't miss it. I have shared Ephesians 2:1-9 with you innumerable times. Will you answer my question?

Would you agree that:

The moment God makes a person alive with Christ and grants them faith, they are also justified by that faith and made righteous before God.

Or do you take exception to what I have stated?

God takes the person who is still dead in sin and He makes them alive with Christ. By grace He saves us, gives us faith, and justifies as righteous by the faith which He gave us. It's all God, none of us. Why do you reject this truth?

Ephesians 2:1-9
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

Actually it has been pointed out to you numerous times that your understanding of the text Eph 2:1-9 is in error. You read into the text what you want to find. You keep saying that God gives man faith to believe and use these verses to prove your point but they actually prove just the opposite. We are saved because we believe.
Eph 2:1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
Eph 2:3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 2:6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Since you seem to doubt what the text says we just have to look back to
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Now I know you are going to say that "the gift of God" is faith but once again Paul shows us what he meant.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Gift of God is salvation for all those that are in Christ Jesus, those that trust in the Son.

Why do you continue to struggle with the truth of scripture.
Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

 

Sounds like you agree with my statement.

The moment God makes a person alive with Christ and grants them faith, they are also justified by that faith and made righteous before God.
God takes the person who is still dead in sin and He makes them alive with Christ. By grace He saves us, gives us faith, and justifies us as righteous by the faith which He gave us.

Do you have a problem with what I have said?

 

Well it looks like Austin either has me on ignore or just does not like to answer posts that show his view is in error. I pointed out his errors in post # 31 but no response.

Austin you just repeat the same lines that have been shown to be in error. Just because you repeat them does not make them true.

 

Do you think God has given us more than one gift, Silverhair? From your post, here, it seems you cannot fathom that God has gifted us salvation, faith, grace upon grace, eternal life, etc. You see, Silverhair, God showers His children with gifts, purely out of his grace, without us having to merit one thing.

Yet, here you are pimping merited salvation by human choice. You simply parrot a variation of the Judaizers in Galatians and then tell me I am wrong to preach salvation by grace alone.

 

It is a “forensic justification” that is a legal determination in a court of law. God is declaring them “not guilty” essentially, based upon faith in Christ Jesus, and therefore they have peace with God.

The passage isn’t really addressing how they got there, only the results of being there.

peace to you

 

Austin you just keep saying the same thing but do not provide any scripture to support it. You ignore the scripture that I have shown you. Why is that? Your theology has blinded you and from what I have read of your posts you reject clear scripture and hold to the errant view that gives you that false sense of security that you need.

 

Silver, I have provided volumes of scripture for you, which you either ignore or you reinterpret so that man is glorified above God. You consistently complain about God having authority over man. Then you tell us how God must be subordinate under man's will in order for God to be loving.

Why do you hate salvation by grace alone?

 

Why do you continue to ignore the scripture that I have shown you? You complain because I do not agree with your calvinist view. But you refuse to follow the bible unless you can fit it into your theology. When I post scripture you say it does nor mean what it says. You have constantly misrepresented what I say but I have gotten used to that coming from most of the calvinists I have dealt with.

The bible is the standard we are to hold to not your calvinism. God has given man a will, which by nature is free, i.e., it is not forced or necessarily inclined toward good or evil. You continue to reject this and say that man only has a free will so as to sin but the bible shows that man is expected to make real choices that have a real effect on their eternal future. How would that be possible without a free will?