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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jun 6, 2022.

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    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    There is only the Holy Spirit, third person of the trinity, and the father and Lord Jesus!
     
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    One person of the Trinity is the Holy Spirit!
     
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    Jesus said He and the Father are in us. Since you say there is only one Holy Spirit, you do not admit that the Father is Spirit and is Holy. Very strange view
     
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    All of the Trinity are Holy, but the father is not the Holy Spirit, and neither is jesus!
     
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    Here JesusFan claims Jesus must be in us bodily because He is not Spirit that is Holy.
     
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    No, stating that the Holy Spirit indwells and seals us, per paul!
     
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    Your two citations did not address the issue of whether our Triune God is comprised of just One Spirit manifested as Three eternal Persons. Your language is unclear, and could be understood to mean the Three Persons are three Spirits.
     
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    Now this poster of obstruction claims scripture does not say that Jesus and the Father are in us.
     
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    We hold that God is eternally 3 Persons. each fully Yahweh, but the Lord jesus is now forever more man and God, while father and Holy Spirit are not!
     
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    What does paul state regarding who indwells and seals us though?
     
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    Gibberish deflection. To claim the Father is not a divine eternal Spirit is heresy. To claim the Father and the Son are not "in us" is heresy.
     
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    Address the facts of scripture, and stop ignoring some and altering others.
     
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    The question is are these different names of one spirit or many divine spirits?

    Matthew 3:16 - Spirit of God
    Matthew 10:20 - Spirit of the Father
    Luke 4:18 - Spirit of the Lord
    John 14:17 - Spirit of Truth (the Helper)
    Acts 16:7 - Spirit of Jesus
    Romans 1:4 - Spirit of Holiness
    Romans 8:2 - Spirit of Life
    Romans 8:9 - Spirit of Christ
    Romans 8:11 - Spirit of Him who raised Jesus
    Romans 8:15 - Spirit of Adoption
    Galatians 4:6 - Spirit of His Son
    Ephesians 1:13 - Spirit of the promise (Holy Spirit)
    1 Peter 4:14 - Spirit of Glory

    Questions not one so-called expert has had the courage to answer:

    Does the construction "Spirit of Someone or Something" mean Someone's Spirit, or simply indicates the purpose of the Spirit.
    For example, the Spirit of the Promise is the Third Person of the Trinity, but is also designated as the Spirit of Adoption and the Spirit of Truth, and is also called the Helper or Comforter.

    The purpose of the "Spirit of Truth" is to relate the truth about Jesus such that His disciples can be His witnesses in person and in writing.
     
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    Compare John 14:16 where Jesus sends the "Helper" (also translated as Comforter or Advocate) with 1 John 2:1 where Jesus is said to be the Helper. One way to resolve this difficulty is to adopt the idea that both Jesus and the Paraclete act for our benefit, first Jesus, and His sacrifice on the cross, becoming the means of our salvation, and second the Paraclete and his intercession on our behalf both in leading us into righteousness, and witnessing for us to the other Persons of the Trinity.

    Note that Jesus says He will send "another Paraclete" which bolsters the idea that Jesus is the first and primary "Paraclete!"
     
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    Here is an orthodox illustration of our Trinity's characteristics.

    If we add to the center word "God" with "the Spirit of Yahweh" have we advocated heresy?

    If we add to the lower description, The Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, have we misrepresented the Third Person of the Trinity?
     
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    Three distinct Persons who are of the one Spirit. Romans 8:9, Romans 8:16, John 4:24, Deuteronomy 6:4 and Isaiah 43:10-11.
     
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    the Father is Spirit, but He is NOT the Holy Spirit!
     
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    Distinct Persons. One God who is one essence being the one Yahweh.
     
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    The Holy Spirit is NOT the "spirit of Yahweh" as he is a real person, not just a force of God, or an agent!
     
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