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Van said:
I see that I missed this post (# 17) which appears to answer the OP Question. The answer, if I am understanding correctly, is that there is only one Divine Spirit, and this one Spirit is the Spirit utilized by each Person of the Trinity.

Thanks, and sorry for my belated acknowledgement.
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There is only the Holy Spirit, third person of the trinity, and the father and Lord Jesus!
 
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JesusFan said:
There is only the Holy Spirit, third person of the trinity, and the father and Lord Jesus!
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Jesus said He and the Father are in us. Since you say there is only one Holy Spirit, you do not admit that the Father is Spirit and is Holy. Very strange view
 
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Van said:
Jesus said He and the Father are in us. Since you say there is only one Holy Spirit, you do not admit that the Father is Spirit and is Holy. Very strange view
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All of the Trinity are Holy, but the father is not the Holy Spirit, and neither is jesus!
 
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37818 said:
Not utilize, but are.
Also John 4:24. And Isaiah 43:10-11.
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Your two citations did not address the issue of whether our Triune God is comprised of just One Spirit manifested as Three eternal Persons. Your language is unclear, and could be understood to mean the Three Persons are three Spirits.
 
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Your two citations did not address the issue of whether our Triune God is comprised of just One Spirit manifested as Three eternal Persons. Your language is unclear, and could be understood to mean the Three Persons are three Spirits.
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We hold that God is eternally 3 Persons. each fully Yahweh, but the Lord jesus is now forever more man and God, while father and Holy Spirit are not!
 
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We hold that God is eternally 3 Persons. each fully Yahweh, but the Lord jesus is now forever more man and God, while father and Holy Spirit are not!
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Gibberish deflection. To claim the Father is not a divine eternal Spirit is heresy. To claim the Father and the Son are not "in us" is heresy.
 
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The question is are these different names of one spirit or many divine spirits?

Matthew 3:16 - Spirit of God
Matthew 10:20 - Spirit of the Father
Luke 4:18 - Spirit of the Lord
John 14:17 - Spirit of Truth (the Helper)
Acts 16:7 - Spirit of Jesus
Romans 1:4 - Spirit of Holiness
Romans 8:2 - Spirit of Life
Romans 8:9 - Spirit of Christ
Romans 8:11 - Spirit of Him who raised Jesus
Romans 8:15 - Spirit of Adoption
Galatians 4:6 - Spirit of His Son
Ephesians 1:13 - Spirit of the promise (Holy Spirit)
1 Peter 4:14 - Spirit of Glory

Questions not one so-called expert has had the courage to answer:

Does the construction "Spirit of Someone or Something" mean Someone's Spirit, or simply indicates the purpose of the Spirit.
For example, the Spirit of the Promise is the Third Person of the Trinity, but is also designated as the Spirit of Adoption and the Spirit of Truth, and is also called the Helper or Comforter.

The purpose of the "Spirit of Truth" is to relate the truth about Jesus such that His disciples can be His witnesses in person and in writing.
 
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Compare John 14:16 where Jesus sends the "Helper" (also translated as Comforter or Advocate) with 1 John 2:1 where Jesus is said to be the Helper. One way to resolve this difficulty is to adopt the idea that both Jesus and the Paraclete act for our benefit, first Jesus, and His sacrifice on the cross, becoming the means of our salvation, and second the Paraclete and his intercession on our behalf both in leading us into righteousness, and witnessing for us to the other Persons of the Trinity.

Note that Jesus says He will send "another Paraclete" which bolsters the idea that Jesus is the first and primary "Paraclete!"
 
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Here is an orthodox illustration of our Trinity's characteristics.

If we add to the center word "God" with "the Spirit of Yahweh" have we advocated heresy?

If we add to the lower description, The Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, have we misrepresented the Third Person of the Trinity?
 
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Van said:
Your two citations did not address the issue of whether our Triune God is comprised of just One Spirit manifested as Three eternal Persons. Your language is unclear, and could be understood to mean the Three Persons are three Spirits.
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Three distinct Persons who are of the one Spirit. Romans 8:9, Romans 8:16, John 4:24, Deuteronomy 6:4 and Isaiah 43:10-11.
 
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Van said:
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Here is an orthodox illustration of our Trinity's characteristics.

If we add to the center word "God" with "the Spirit of Yahweh" have we advocated heresy?

If we add to the lower description, The Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, have we misrepresented the Third Person of the Trinity?
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Distinct Persons. One God who is one essence being the one Yahweh.
 
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Van said:
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Here is an orthodox illustration of our Trinity's characteristics.

If we add to the center word "God" with "the Spirit of Yahweh" have we advocated heresy?

If we add to the lower description, The Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, have we misrepresented the Third Person of the Trinity?
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The Holy Spirit is NOT the "spirit of Yahweh" as he is a real person, not just a force of God, or an agent!
 
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