Poll: If the 2nd A was constitutionally repealed…….

In responding to several other posts, I accidentally overlooked sending you a reply. I do apologize.

"Taxation Without Representation" is the grievance that gets the most attention in the list of reasons for the Revolution. Imposing taxes without the consent of the colonists was the 17th grievance. If that had been the only reason, or even a main reason, they might not have resorted to rebellion. Their long-suffering is demonstrated in the fact that they didn't rebel against the British immediately following the Boston Massacre (March 5, 1770).

Yes, we are to obey governmental officials as long as they do not violate God's law. The point is that the founding fathers believed King George III was violating God's law. We have a Biblical parallel in 1 Kings 11-12. After the death of Solomon, his son Rehoboam replaced him as king. The northern tribes, who functioned much as our colonies did, met with the king to bring their just complaints regarding what they had had to endure under Solomon’s heavy-handed rule. With Jereboam as their spokesman, they complained that Rehoboam’s father had “made our yoke heavy.” If Rehoboam would “lighten the hard service” Solomon had imposed on them, “we will serve you” (1 Kings 12:4). They had also had been made subject to a long train of abuses and petitioned humbly for relief. As we know, Rehoboam responded as King George did. “The king did not listen to the people”.

The parallels are impossible to ignore. A heavy-handed central government. Repeated petitions for relief, which were ignored. A declaration of independence from former political allegiances (1 Kings 12:16). God’s blessing on the endeavor. In fact, the entire affair in both instances was under the sovereign direction of God. In summary, the colonists had a Biblical model to follow.

 

Kind of hypocritical wouldn’t you say!

 

Cathode, this world is corrupt and as God gives people up to their own corruption (Romans 1) we will see great atrocities that will cause us to say "even so, come Lord Jesus." Christians have suffered horrible deaths throughout the world, in every era. We have carried the cross to be counted worthy of suffering for the Lord's name.
1 Peter 4:1-19

Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh,arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does. The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers. Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins. Show hospitality to one another without grumbling. As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.

 

I really appreciate how you are so civil in our disagreement. You never let disagreements turn into arguments. You are right, the topic of this thread is the hypothetical repeal of the 2nd Amendment, and I apologize for getting off topic.

To be completely honest, I would not comply with any law that confiscated my firearms. History shows this is a bad idea. I believe taking away our right to self-defense is wrong.

 

Because the chance of repealing 2A is barely distinguishable from zero, I consider the poll question to be moot, and did not make a choice. IMO, a government willing to render its citizens' means of self-defense is a government on the way to tyranny and is likely a government willing to remove the "free exercise" clause from 1A.

 

Not everyone has had a safe comfortable neighbourhood and existence for half a century. You know that’s totally not the norm in human history or geography, and that you are greatly blessed.
Some places people are constantly fighting off serious threats to their families. Two very different experiences of life.

Bearing arms is a natural human right that is God given. Nature bears arms constantly, those close to God’s creation know this, those born to air conditioning and pretzels, not so much.

 

Some may think so. Then there are those who insist God is a , do as I say not as I do ,sovereign.
To each their own I guess.
It's there in scripture. Everyone can choose what to think about it.

 

How do you protect your family if you obey government and let them confiscate your guns? Or own none to begin with?

 

The epistles are written to Christians who are being unjustly beaten and killed. The Apostles tell us how to live. Being a Christian is hard and the cross is a path that is hard. Jesus is very aware. This is why Revelation is such an encouraging book for the believer. Our King is very aware, and he is coming to our rescue. We hold the Fort until he returns, using our weapons, which are the Bible and prayer.


As for your situation, I pray for the peace of the city in which you live as an exile.

Jeremiah 29:4-7

“Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, to all the exiles whom I have sent into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon: Build houses and live in them; plant gardens and eat their produce. Take wives and have sons and daughters; take wives for your sons, and give your daughters in marriage, that they may bear sons and daughters; multiply there, and do not decrease. But seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the Lord on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare.

 

You'd defend your family by letting yourself be killed by the enemy?


What if it's the police under a police state action threatening your family?

 

Scripture assures us that there will come a day when all men will voluntarily and joyfully turn their swords into ploughshares, predators and prey in happy company, but it would be irresponsible and stupid to force disarmament until that blessed day.