Featured A Dispensationalist View of Calvinism

I make that statement because I absolutely deserve to be sent to hell and not have my sins ransomed by the Son of God. So does everyone else, including you. That group that you think I lord it over is the group that I should be in. Only God knows why he does exactly what he claims to do in Romans 9. God has mercy on whom he has mercy.

Are you so utterly clueless as to God's amazing grace that you cannot conceive of the grace that it takes from God to save just one sinner (let alone the billions that God has saved from Adam to the present moment)?
Do you realize that in your rant, you called John Newton, the writer of the hymn "Amazing Grace," a cult member? Does it even compute what your accusation is and how far away from God's Spirit your statement lands?

That you think I find pleasure in the damnation of any soul is an indication that you are utterly clueless regarding the doctrines of grace.

I honestly have no idea who has put the ideas you espouse into your ear, but whoever has been teaching you is a terrible teacher who will answer to God as an elder and shepherd.

 

What will prove my election will be my perseverance in faith and God's preservation of my faith. JD, it's God continuing to sanctify me through my lifetime. If I drift and Satan devours my faith, it will be an evidence that I never had faith at all. This, I work out my faith with fear and trembling...not with arrogance, as you mistakenly imagine.
JD, you seem to be lacking discernment.

Do you not see what Paul says in chapter 9 as he also stated earlier in Romans 2, namely that those of the circumcision are not necessarily Jews, but those who are spiritually circumcised are the Israel of God. In both places, Paul is showing us that we are the offspring of Abraham.

It makes me a child of God, one who receives the inheritance of the New Covenant (read Hebrews 9).

Grace is how God saved Adam and Eve, to this present moment when God is saving both Jew and Gentile by grace.

What is interesting is how Paul connects Gentiles to God by Jesus establishment of the New Covenant at the cross. The Old Mosaic Covenant was forever finished as Jesus fulfilled the work of atonement that the Old Covenant could not do. Both Jew and Gentile believers are children of God because their names were written into the Will. (You really have to read Hebrews 9)

The sacrifices of the nation of Israel never saved. Everyone, including Gentile proselytes were justified by faith in the Promised One (the Messiah, Jesus) who was to come. That's what all the IT laws and regulations pointed toward. How do you not know this?

LOL, one of the most respected hymns in Christianity and used by God to deeply worship our King, and you brush it off. Do you not know amazing grace in your own life?

Are you actually saying the song "Amazing Grace is an abomination??? Sir, you are unbelievable.

Nothing true?
So, you aren't corrupt to your core. You were not saved without merit. Jesus didn't die for his children. God isn't strong enough to save a person if the person has a strong enough will. God doesn't give perseverance to Christians. All those statements would be true by your assertion. Honestly, do you actually read what you write?

You are telling me what some really bad teacher has taught you. Your mentor should be ashamed of himself and should resign from ministry. What you are sharing is demonstrably false in scripture.

May God break the prejudice in your heart and open your spirit to all of his word. It is clear you don't know much of God's Word at present.

 

Sigh...
If you actually stepped out of your bigotry, you would know that Reformed theology is deeply immersed in scripture. Much more than you. I have told you that I am willing and able to exegete any passage in scripture with you so we can look at what God has to say to us. You seem unwilling to do this, but instead play the role of accuser. Note who plays that role in the Bible, JD.

JD, here is a document of the scripture where God tells us of his choosing. It is 6 pages of scripture. You are sarcastic in your ignorance, not because you have a valid point. Read God's Word. Tell me if I am making up any of the scripture passages.

At this point, you are showing us your pride.

 

True, but just an observation, if you're going to call Arminianism "semi-Pelagianism" you might as well call Calvinism the same because Calvinism was historically born out of Augustine's inability to answer Pelagius' contention that faith is a work in and of itself - precisely the Calvinist inherited claim. Augustine's "out" was therefore, paraphrasing: "well we are not the ones who believe, God makes us believe". And the rest is history.

 

Covenant theology is Judaism? No wonder it is so far off base.

 

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Jeremiah 31:3, ". . . Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: . . ."
Hebrews 8:8, ". . . For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: . . ." We call it New Testament Christianity . . . .

 

Are you saying Calvinism is a religion besides Christianity? Just another aspect of Judaism for Gentiles?

From what the NT states the Atonement was for Adam's flesh, both Gentiles and Israelites. There is no specific application to Israel.

 

No. I am not Calvinist.

 

Do you realize you are arguing for universalism where all humanity is saved by virtue of Jesus universal atonement?
And, if you deny that you are teaching universalism, then you make salvation by works and not by grace since it is the human and the human will that either saves or damns themselves. In the second position God becomes secondary to man.
Which one are you then proposing? The only other possibility is that Jesus atonement is particular only to those who believe, which therefore makes it limited. It is once and for all who believe, but you are thinking it's universalism, which is a dangerous path to travel.

So far, you have not dealt with dispensationalism at all. Why? Because dispensationalism is not about salvation.

Do you see your confusion or are you still scratching your head and stumbling in the dark?

 

You quoted them. You did not explain what they mean.
When John the Baptist declared "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" was he speaking universally? If so, then all humanity is made perfect before God and every human is justified, without spot or blemish. Every human from Adam to the end of time will be in heaven.

Do you think that is what John the Baptist meant?

As for the covenantal atoning sacrifices in the nation of Israel, you must read Hebrews. Note that the priests had to continually offer sacrifices for the people as well as themselves. Also note that those sacrifices were for the chosen people of God The elect. (Did you read the document I provided to you?) But, Jesus is greater than the Old Covenant, which pointed toward Jesus. Jesus is both the sacrifice and the High Priest. He is far superior in both ways. As a sacrifice he only had to sacrifice once. His atonement was for all the elect, chosen people of God. He did not have to atone for his own sins, like the high priests of Israel because he perfectly kept the law. He is greater than all old covenant and its foreshadowing because He fulfilled it all. JD, do you not know these things? Has your mentor not explained this? Has he pointed you toward universalism and taught that all humanity is fully, universally atoned for by Jesus? Do you even comprehend what that implies?

At present, your doctrine is so messed up that you really have no idea what you are talking about. You are presently arguing for a heresy, rejected by Christians, yet you don't know it. Read your Bible. I couldn't care less if you hold to dispensationalism, but I do care that you presently hold to a form of universalism that is contrary to the Bible and to God himself.

 

No. For the world universally, yes. But it is conditional on believing and to accept it only as the gift.

 

So, you are saved by your works according to your confession.
Look at the circularity of the comment.
Jesus paid all sins, but you, by your free will, must do the accepting. If you don't accept, God is casting a perfect and holy person into hell because of one bad choice...that Jesus paid for in the cross. You are in a never ending loop of contradiction.

 

You are an irrational false accuser.

 

Not at all. However, you are refusing to be honest about your own position. If you wish to hold to a contradicting circular argument, you certainly may. Just don't think that it's what God teaches.

 

Calvinism is not a soterological view, it is a bogus soterological view, rejecting God's word and embracing the invention of men.

 

Yes, the elect are every one. God voted and elected all to be saved. Why would an individual not vote to accept that election? Because they as a sinner vote for themselves and against God's vote.

The work is not on getting saved. The work by humans is to constantly avoid salvation. No one is automatically saved. They are just automatically elected by God to be saved. Those who do give up their will, just end up being the ones elected that count.

Calvinist claim the Atonement was only for the elect, making the starting point narrow. What is even the point to think about salvation, if there literally is no choice in the matter?

Universalism is the teaching that no one is a sinner. Not that all humanity has been elected to be redeemed.

Since not every one knows they are elected, they need to hear about the Atonement. That is why the Gospel has to go out to all. Then those hearing can reject which does narrow down the end result.