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If...your assertion is correct...and God has elected all people for salvation...then...either God gets what He chooses...or human will is more powerful than God's will and humans break free of their salvation and overpower God.

Which one is it?

By your assertion these are the two views of God (theology) that you assert.
1) Universalism
2) Human will is superior,over and above God's will.

Universalism is that all humans have been atoned for by Jesus sacrifice (that is what you are claiming when you assert universal election).

You claim that the failure of God, and Christians, to preach the gospel to the "already elect" and the "already elect's" powerful will to reject God's election, makes them go to hell.

What you have asserted has literally zero support in the Bible. In other words, you have made a completely false assertion.

 

You are not justified in your view here. To put it this way, you are seeing what I am not seeing. To me you are coming across as being irrational. You falsely claimed works were no works were being claimed. Now that is irrational.

 

LOL, you just contradicted yourself, Van.

 

I am seeing what is being said and you cannot see it. We agree.

 

The necessity of a gift is a work?

 

I understand what you intended. You utterly failed in what you intended, showing instead that you have no idea what you are talking about.

My advice is that you read the entire Bible. Observe what God says, without any pretext. No Dispensationalism or Covenant views allowed. Just observe without bias. Actually get to know God and what He has said. When you are done reading the Bible, look at your observations and as questions.

You are not ready to give anyone comments on the subject you have chosen.

 

Yet another Calvinist claiming something contradicts itself, when it is Calvinism that is based on cognitive dissonance.

 

You wrote:

Now, you say it is not a view regarding salvation, then, in mid sentence, you say it is a view regarding salvation, but you think it is bogus because you declare that Calvinism is "rejecting God's Word" and embracing some pagan idea.

Everyone, even non-Calvinists, reads what you wrote and knows that your assertion is an outright false statement. It is pure hyperbole on your part and a comment that no one who actually knows Reformed theology would agree with. Only a completely ignorant person would agree with you. Therefore, I do not agree with you at all. You have made false, broad sweeping comments and it is provable fact that you are wrong.

 

Yet another post of absurd gibberish. Calvinism is bogus. Full stop.
Have you explained why many are called but only few are chosen? Nope, you have not.
You reject God's word, in that many are called but few are chosen.
Only a completely ignorant person would deny God says many are called but few are chosen.
You have made false, broad sweeping comments and it is a provable fact you are wrong for many are called but few are chosen thus Conditional Election is the true biblical doctrine.

 

You should stop here since it's entire garbage you are spewing.

I have.
"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy."

False
The call goes out to all from the preacher (Read Romans 10). The elect here God's voice and believe. These are those God chooses to extend mercy.

No one here at the BB has said this. You are making a very false statement.

Many do hear the call. God has chosen whom He wills. There are no conditions added by God to whom he has elected. God chose his adopted children from before the foundation of the world. (Ephesians 1) God chose by His own counsel with no conditions as to His choice.

It is you who forces extra conditions upon salvation. What you do is what Paul, in Galatians, calls "anathema".

 

LOL, no you have never explain why many are called, rather than just the elect, and why all those called were not chosen, unless God used some criteria (i.e faith in the truth as determined by God) for choosing!!!

No amount of gibberish will hide this truth...

 

If my dog died yesterday, and I call out to him to come for dinner, have I called him? Nope. He cannot hear the call. So Calvinism rewrites scripture to claim many are called, but they cannot hear but then some of those who did not hear are chosen. Good grief, what gibberish.

 

According to Calvinism God chose a few, then decided to call many to give the illusion of an opportunity for salvation. This is the absurd nonsense claimed by Calvinism. It is a joke...

 

No, that is "according to Van" not according to Reformed Theology. Be honest, Van.

According to God...the message of reconciliation goes out to all. The response to reconciliation is no one responds (Romans 3). The choice of God is to choose from the non-response all whom he has mercy upon (Romans 9).

This is not some unvalidated "nonsense claim" as you assert. It is, instead, a valid presentation by God in His Holy Word...which you openly refuse and call nonsense. Such is your response to what God tells you in His Word. That should make you shudder with fear when you meet the King.

 

That's a terrible analogy.
If you are dead, can you hear anything?
No
What must happen?
You must be made alive.
Who can bring a dead person to life so they can hear?
Van, why do you rebel against God's work in salvation?

 

LOL, I quoted God's Word which explains it. This shows your rejection of God's Word.

 

Ever notice Calvinists say everything about Calvinism is not Calvinism.

 

If my dog died yesterday, and I call out to him to come for dinner, have I called him? Nope. He cannot hear the call. So Calvinism rewrites scripture to claim many are called, but they cannot hear but then some of those who did not hear are chosen. Good grief, what gibberish.

 

If your dog died because he broke the law and died, he couldn't hear any call...except for one call. It's the same call that Lazarus heard when he was dead in the womb. Jesus, God Almighty, called out and said "Lazerus, come forth."
God never gives us the list of who he is going to call and give them life from death. God only tells us to go and preach the gospel. We obey God, and we don't question why he commands us to be ambassadors of reconciliation when he knows exactly who he is going to choose.

You are speaking falsehood when you say Calvinism rewrites scripture. There is no changed word.

Our difference is purely in the fact that you lift up humans as the main reason for salvation when you read the Bible while I lift up God as the main reason for salvation. When you read the word "faith" you point to man. When I read the word "faith" I point to God. Neither of us change the words of the Bible. We, instead, look at salvation in different ways. You look at man, man, man, God. I look at God, God, God, man.