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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by percho, Jul 1, 2022.

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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    That's what you keep telling yourself, but the reality is that you have misapplied many of the verses.
     
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    By the way, I had edited my post before you posted your reply. You quoted the old one.
     
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    So they would hear His voice and come to Him. Remember we all know that their is a God of creation Rom 1:19 many just reject Him.
     
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    Based on that reply, it sounds like you don't accept the Biblical doctrine of propitiation. Would that be accurate about your position?
     
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    Why would you say that?

    Lets see here:
    1Jn_4:10 ...the propitiation for our sins.
    1Jn_2:2 ...He Himself is the propitiation for our sins
    Heb_2:17 ...to make propitiation for the sins of the people
    Rom_3:25 ...a propitiation in His blood through faith

    Sure seems clear to me. It is God who is "propitiated" by the vindication of His holy and righteous character, whereby through the provision He has made in the vicarious and expiatory sacrifice of Christ, He has so dealt with sin that He can show mercy to the believing sinner in the removal of his guilt and the remission of his sins.
     
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    Sounds like you are advocating that He died just to get the attention of His sheep, not that He propitiated their sins.
     
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    Also, according to your theological views, how do God's elect attain a perfect righteousness?
     
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    Do you believe in the Biblical doctrine of imputation?
     
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    Perfect righteousness when we are in heaven. God views us as righteous through the blood of His son because of our faith in the Son
     
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    … and for our good.
    We are better off as Children of the God that has irrefutably demonstrated so great a love for us, then Adam ever was as a “very good” obedient creation serving a Holy God before the fall.

    Christ did not merely restore what was lost … the NEW is far greater than the OLD ever was or ever could have been.
     
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    So you believe, in your theology, that your salvation depends on you and your performance, that salvation is not 100% of God? That as Jonah said in Jonah 2:9 that "Salvation is of the LORD"?
     
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    Since no mere man can have perfect faith, do you believe, in your theology, that God grades on a sliding scale?
     
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    As far a God viewing us a righteous YES.
     
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    I believe in “Logic” that is called a fallacy of the excluded middle. It is not an either/or matter.

    Adam did fall from something (there was a real loss).
    It was (as everything is) for the purpose of God.
     
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    How did you come to that conclusion? We are saved by grace because we have trusted in the Son, or do you not believe what the bible says?
    We all sin but those that believe will be saved Gal 3:22
    God rewards those that seek Him Heb 11:6
    We hear and believe the gospel, God saves Eph 1:13
     
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    I reject any soteriology that begins with, "I am saved because I..."

    Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
     
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    (Close to verbatim):
    "When this is all over and done with, when time is no more, every creature in the universe will know that there can be only One will". Art Crawford
     
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    Then you reject the bible. Sad to see but that is your choice.

    Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
    Rom 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
     
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    I believe the Bible. I reject your false gospel.
     
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    so God ORDERED that Adam and Eve SIN and REBEL against Him. This makes God the AUTHOR of sin, and DOUBLE-MINDED! He DECREES that humans SIN against Him, and then when they carry out HIS COMMAND, God punishes them!

    Such is the UTTER RUBBISH of "reformed theology"!
     
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    REALLY? God CAUSED the FALL and SINNING of Adam and Eve, for HIS GLORY???

    This is BLASPHEMY of the HIGHEST ORDER!

    God becomes the AUTHOR of SIN!"
     
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