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Jesus then always existed as the Lamb of God. He was never a begotten son.

"the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Revelation 13:8

 

Acts of the Apostles 13:33, Romans 1:4.

 

No, John set the precedent in chapter 13. Revelation 17:8 is still about the book. But the book was from the Lamb slain before the foundation, which resulted in the book. They both existed in that form before creation.

You claim the Logos always existed would mean the Logos died on the Cross, had the physical marks of the Cross and could appear as a man at any time. How does that take less belief as preincarnate than just saying Jesus always physically existed as the Lamb?

John stated in writing in the gospel prior to writing Revelation. Yet Revelation shows John as an eyewitness to way more knowledge than when he penned John the Gospel. Unless you think John wrote the Gospel after he wrote Revelation?

Is not your point Jesus as the Logos was sent from God?

 

The majority of humanity reject the truth and call it how they see it. You do not have to accept how God's Word presents things clearly.

If you use Revelation 17:8 as your clear criteria, you are a Calvinist who allows only the elect to be written in the Lamb's book of life since before Creation.

The point that the Lamb was slain before creation places all the names of every conceived offspring of Adam as all were covered by the Atonement. The Lamb's book of life was God's vote of election to redeem every last one of Adam's dead corruptible flesh, including Adam and Eve themselves. The precedent was set in Revelation 13:8.

The Lamb's book of life is the list of all the restored sons of God. The 7 Seals are the opening of this book. Only after the book is unsealed will names be removed. The goats are the first names removed.

At what point does God stop knowing a person, if God is all knowing? Especially when it comes to redemption and the Atonement? It is when their name is removed from the Lamb's book of life. How can any one in history be born and live without God never knowing them? It is impossible. Yet once removed from the Lamb's book of life, that will be the point of truth, that God never knew them as one of the redeemed. And no one can claim redemption and then loose it. God would not forget He redeemed them. The only point one can loose God's redemption is to look God in the face and refuse His Atonement. Then God will remove His vote and one's name from the Lamb's book of life.

That would be the last chance to be a son of God.

 

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Foundation of the world indicates prior to Genesis 1:1. The Trinity was the Foundation of the world.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

The Lamb's book of life existed before existence. It has been sealed since Genesis 1:1. It has not been unsealed, yet.

This translation does not follow the Greek. It is an opinion of the Greek text.

In the Greek still a prepositionional phrase of Lamb having been slain from founding of world.

 

No. The world, 1 John 5:19 as used throughout the New Testament.

 

God exists outside of creation. Is before inside or outside of creation? If creation does not exist, where God does, a "point" outside of creation, cannot be eternal inside of creation itself. But I guess you found away for it to be one, not the other.

 

If that is the case then the disciples existed before the world as well?

 

You are being irrational. The world being understood to refer to mankind.

 

I thought your point was the world as known in the NT:

Did something drastic happen to make the world different then as opposed to a before the NT? Why make a point, if you are not going to use that point? I thought you were claiming the world was something different in the NT than the world created in Genesis 1:1.

Mankind existed on the 6th day. Is there a different mankind in the NT?

 

If God understands time, then before creation is a time. If time does not matter outside of creation, then it was only a reality in God's mind. This is not time travel. Did the 3 persons of the Trinity exist before creation or at creation as part of creation? From the foundation is stating a fact, not defining reality. You don't think the Trinity existed outside of time. I am not being dogmatic either way. I don't even know if you accept the Trinity. All you do is attack my points. You never give an alternate point of view.

 

My claim is there is one foundation.

I do not hold that every second of time is a single foundation. There was one foundation at the start.

Your point means every second is its own foundation. The Lamb's book of life was never sealed, but is constantly being edited by God for each second/foundation of reality.

My point was that it was already settled in eternity that all would be redeemed. At the end of Adam's 6,000 years of punishment it would be opened. Then names would be removed. Those individuals who would choose to reject God's Atonement.