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The Golden Chain Part II
- Thread starter Van
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Of course! Only believers whose faith God credits as righteous faith are placed into the body of Christ.
See Matthew 13 and the second and third soils, they believed to a degree but were not chosen for salvation.
Yet another false charge, another innuendo, another attempt to change the subject to my behavior.
Yet we have perceived that for the ones loving God, all is working together for good, to the ones becoming "the called" according to His purpose. Because those whom God knew would be chosen based on their love and faith, He also designated beforehand to be conformed to the image of His Son, for His Son would be the firstborn of many siblings. And those He designated beforehand, in His Redemption plan, He also called (or transferred into Christ), and those He called, He also justified (by the washing of regeneration) and those whom He justified, He also glorified as blameless, righteous, perfect spiritual children of God, siblings of Christ.
Many times an oft used word in scripture is not well understood. But by doing a word study where we consider all the verses where the underlying Hebrew or Greek word appears in scripture, or as used by a particular author, we can arrive at a better understanding of the message being conveyed by the inspired writer.
Glorified has a range of meanings, but if we narrow down to how the Greek word is used by Paul, we can boil it down to two meanings:
1) To cause the dignity and worth of someone (God or a person) or something (i.e. the Word of the Lord) to become manifest and acknowledged. Thus in this sense, it is something we do, by word or by deed. For example, if we follow God and strive to live righteously and avoid sin, we “glorify God.”
2) To be exalted to the same glory to which Jesus has been raised. Thus, in this sense, it is something God does to us. Another word, meaning glorified together is used in this same sense at Romans 8:17.
So just how have we been, past tense, glorified by God as taught at Romans 8:30? We all expect to be clothed in glorified, immortal bodies, at Christ’s second coming, our adoption as sons, so the past tense glorification appears to refer to our spiritual condition in Christ as born anew creations.
1) Christ rose from the dead, so He was made alive physically. We were made alive spiritually when God put us in Christ, Ephesians 2:5
2) Christ lived a sinless physical life. We have been made holy and blameless in Christ.
3) We who are spiritually in Christ have been predestined to be raised (or changed in the twinkling of an eye) in glorified bodies.
Paul taught all this in Romans 8, referring to us becoming brethren of our first born Christ, who have been called, justified, and glorified.
The gospel of Christ.
Many times an oft used word in scripture is not well understood. But by doing a word study where we consider all the verses where the underlying Hebrew or Greek word appears in scripture, or as used by a particular author, we can arrive at a better understanding of the message being conveyed by the inspired writer.
Glorified has a range of meanings, but if we narrow down to how the Greek word is used by Paul, we can boil it down to two meanings:
1) To cause the dignity and worth of someone (God or a person) or something (i.e. the Word of the Lord) to become manifest and acknowledged. Thus in this sense, it is something we do, by word or by deed. For example, if we follow God and strive to live righteously and avoid sin, we “glorify God.”
2) To be exalted to the same glory to which Jesus has been raised. Thus, in this sense, it is something God does to us. Another word, meaning glorified together is used in this same sense at Romans 8:17.
So just how have we been, past tense, glorified by God as taught at Romans 8:30? We all expect to be clothed in glorified, immortal bodies, at Christ’s second coming, our adoption as sons, so the past tense glorification appears to refer to our spiritual condition in Christ as born anew creations.
1) Christ rose from the dead, so He was made alive physically. We were made alive spiritually when God put us in Christ, Ephesians 2:5
2) Christ lived a sinless physical life. We have been made holy and blameless in Christ.
3) We who are spiritually in Christ have been predestined to be raised (or changed in the twinkling of an eye) in glorified bodies.
Paul taught all this in Romans 8, referring to us becoming brethren of our first born Christ, who have been called, justified, and glorified.
The gospel of Christ.
Please address the fact Romans 4:4-5 and Romans 4:23-25 teach God credits the faith of some as having righteous faith. Scripture delineates between dead faith, and faith deemed righteous by God. For you to consign that fact to me rather than scripture seems defiant of truth.
John 6:64
“But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray Him. (The "faith" of Judas was professed but not valid)
Here is another example of people proclaiming to be followers of Christ, whose "faith" was not considered by God to be actual belief. This is basis Christianity 101.
“But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray Him. (The "faith" of Judas was professed but not valid)
Here is another example of people proclaiming to be followers of Christ, whose "faith" was not considered by God to be actual belief. This is basis Christianity 101.
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Reformed1689
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Yes, it is not complicated. People proclaim their faith in Christ, but sometimes God does not credit that "faith" as righteous faith.
In John 6:64 we see some of those who publicly claimed to be adherents of Christ, but whose "faith" missed the mark.
Matthew 7:21–23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many miracles in your name?’ And then I will say to them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Romans 8:28-30 (Interpretive Translation)
Yet we have perceived that for the ones loving God, all is working together for good, to the ones becoming "the called" according to His purpose. Because those whom God knew would be chosen based on their love and faith, He also designated beforehand to be conformed to the image of His Son, for His Son would be the firstborn of many siblings. And those He designated beforehand, in His Redemption plan, He also called (or transferred into Christ), and those He called, He also justified (by the washing of regeneration) and those whom He justified, He also glorified as blameless, righteous, perfect spiritual children of God, siblings of Christ.
The Golden chain applies to individuals chosen according to God's redemption plan, i.e. those whose faith God credits as righteous faith.
God formulated His Redemption plan before creation, thus during its implementation, the actions are according to God's knowledge of His predetermined plan. Thus those called were foreknown as believers whose faith was credited by God.
Yet we have perceived that for the ones loving God, all is working together for good, to the ones becoming "the called" according to His purpose. Because those whom God knew would be chosen based on their love and faith, He also designated beforehand to be conformed to the image of His Son, for His Son would be the firstborn of many siblings. And those He designated beforehand, in His Redemption plan, He also called (or transferred into Christ), and those He called, He also justified (by the washing of regeneration) and those whom He justified, He also glorified as blameless, righteous, perfect spiritual children of God, siblings of Christ.
The Golden chain applies to individuals chosen according to God's redemption plan, i.e. those whose faith God credits as righteous faith.
God formulated His Redemption plan before creation, thus during its implementation, the actions are according to God's knowledge of His predetermined plan. Thus those called were foreknown as believers whose faith was credited by God.
Reformed1689
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Consider how much study it takes to post "that is wrong." I provided 13 verses all demonstrating God's blessings are accessed by way of God crediting our existent faith as righteous faith.
Does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation by way of faith in the truth? Yes. Did God bestow His blessing based on crediting that person's faith or rejecting it as non-belief? So by logical necessity, the biblical premise is that our faith existed when chosen for salvation.
Reformed1689
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Yet another "that is wrong" post bolstered with the "not in scripture" false allegation.
Consider the claim that "through" or "by way of" faith is not in scripture, or that if something is utilized to accomplish something else, it existed before the something else was accomplished. This is not rocket science.
God formulated His Redemption plan before creation, thus during its implementation, the actions are according to God's knowledge of His predetermined plan. Thus those called were foreknown as believers whose faith was credited by God.
Consider how much study it takes to post "that is wrong." I provided 13 verses all demonstrating God's blessings are accessed by way of God crediting our existent faith as righteous faith.
Does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation by way of faith in the truth? Yes. Did God bestow His blessing based on crediting that person's faith or rejecting it as non-belief? So by logical necessity, the biblical premise is that our faith existed when chosen for salvation.
Does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation by way of faith in the truth? Yes. Did God bestow His blessing based on crediting that person's faith or rejecting it as non-belief? So by logical necessity, the biblical premise is that our faith existed when chosen for salvation.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
God election and predestination precedes "saving faith"
Your 13 verses have nothing to do with God first electing, adopting, and predestining believers. God indeed pours out blessing upon those whom he has given faith to believe. It's His gift. Why wouldn't he pour out blessings on those who exhibit the gift God gave them?
God chooses individuals by way of grace. He gives these individuals faith, which God counts as righteousness.
Since a salvation through faith is not a salvation of works, the claim is false.