"Believing is the consequence of the new birth"

[Silverhair]

You can call me a sovereign grace Baptist.

But that would not be a correct description would it. From what you have posted it seems that your view of sovereign and grace do not comport with the bible. But since you do not like Calvinist I will have to think of someway to refer to your view.

Your posted theology puts you in the Calvinist camp but you see that as a problem due I would surmise to the negative view many have regarding the theological stance.

 

[Silverhair]

I keep saying it and it is correct.

Only if you read your strange theology into the text.

 

[Silverhair]

God's Word shows that I am correct in my understanding of the matter.

But your understanding does not fit with the bible does it. You just keep saying it does but that does not make it so.

 

[KenH]

Sure it does. Do a word search of chosen, predestined, elect, and adopted sometime.

Also interesting, the word in the KJV in John 6:44 - drew(the Greek word,ἕλκω) - "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." literally means "drag" and is the same Greek word used in John 21:11(Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.) with regard to the fish being dragged to shore. The fish contributed nothing to being dragged to shore, certainly not their "free will".

 

[Silverhair]

I hold to that view because God's Word teaches it.

But that is the problem you have. Gods' word does not teach what you say it does. Repeating that your view is correct will not change reality, "world" in 1Jn 2:2 does not mean elect. You are calling to question the veracity of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Silverhair]

I couldn't care less what some "scholars" post since I go by God's Word, not scholars. Scholars are worthwhile only if they adhere to God's Word.

And you are saying that you know better than all those scholars. Do you think they do not know the word of God and handle it correctly? Must say you do have a high opinion of yourself.

 

[KenH]

But that would not be a correct description would it.

Why not? I believe in salvation by the sovereign grace of God in the Lord our Righteousness, Christ Jesus. And I adhere to only baptism by confessing believers.

 

[Silverhair]

I will hold to my view since it is what God's Word teaches.

Ken your calvi theology has led you down the wrong path. You are starting to think and sound like some others on BB.

 

[KenH]

you see that as a problem due I would surmise to the negative view many have regarding the theological stance.

I associate Calvinism more with churches such as the Reformed Church in America. I do not believe in baptizing infants.

 

[Silverhair]

Sure it does. Do a word search of chosen, predestined, elect, and adopted sometime.

Doing a word search will not help your case Austin, you have to see what the context says, remember.

 

[KenH]

From what you have posted it seems that your view of sovereign and grace do not comport with the bible.

What I have posted and my view of sovereign grace do comport with Biblical teaching.

 

[KenH]

Only if you read your strange theology into the text.

Not at all. I am reading nothing into the text - strange or otherwise.

 

[KenH]

But your understanding does not fit with the bible does it. You just keep saying it does but that does not make it so.

My understanding does fit in with Biblical teaching. You're saying that it does not fit in with Biblical teaching does not make it not fit in with Biblical teaching.

 

[Silverhair]

Also interesting, the word in the KJV in John 6:44 - drew(the Greek word,ἕλκω) - "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." literally means "drag" and is the same Greek word used in John 21:11(Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.) with regard to the fish being dragged to shore. The fish contributed nothing to being dragged to shore, certainly not their "free will".

Well Ken you may not like being called a Calvinist but you keep showing that you are one by your posts.

 

[KenH]

But that is the problem you have. Gods' word does not teach what you say it does. Repeating that your view is correct will not change reality, "world" in 1Jn 2:2 does not mean elect.

Yes, God's word does teach that "world" in 1 John 2:2 means all of the Jews and the Gentiles chosen by God before the world began and for whom Christ was the propitiation for their sins, so that as their sins were imputed to Christ and Christ's perfect righteousness was imputed to them.

 

[KenH]

You are calling to question the veracity of the Holy Spirit.

I am doing no such thing and I must ask that you refrain from using such awful language towards me again.

 

[Silverhair]

My understanding does fit in with Biblical teaching. You're saying that it does not fit in with Biblical teaching does not make it not fit in with Biblical teaching.

Only if you hold to the Calvinist theology that you claim not to hold to.

 

[KenH]

And you are saying that you know better than all those scholars.

Having some fancy title like "Doctor of Theology", etc. means nothing if what the person says is not in agreement with Biblical teaching. Do you just accept someone's teaching because they have some title attached to their name or because they are well-known or famous in theological circles?

 

[KenH]

Must say you do have a high opinion of yourself.

I am nothing but a filthy, vile sinner saved by the sovereign grace of God.

 

[Silverhair]

I am doing no such thing and I must ask that you refrain from using such awful language towards me again.

When you say the Holy Spirit does not know the difference between world and elect then that becomes a valid comment. Your saying you know what God really meant to say. That is dangerous ground to step on.