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If a person is on an Island, and all they find is John 3:16, will believing that save them?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Aug 13, 2022.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    No, I don't. You don't, either, regardless of how proudly you claim that you do.
     
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    KenH Well-Known Member

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    So now quoting the Bible is just something "random" to you. Sir, you are swelled up with vile human pride and you see no problem with your high view of yourself and your low view of God.
     
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    Then you should let Him do as He pleases. You have by your own words made God responsible for all those that are in hell, so they do have a excuse, a real good one, God made them do it. Yet that is not what the bible says is it. Man is without excuse, man is held responsible for the choices he makes. You are denying the scriptures so that you can hold to your man-made philosophy.

    As I said to Austin I will say to you. Humble yourself before the Lord and ask Him to open your eyes tot he truths of His word.
    Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
    Pro 3:6 in all your ways acknowledge him,and he will make your paths straight.
    Pro 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and depart from evil.
     
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    You, sir, need to read the Bible and pray that God will open your heart to His word(you don't claim that you can open your own heart, do you? Or do you?) or else you will end up like these folks:

    From 1 Peter 2:7-8 but unto them which be disobedient,
    The stone which the builders disallowed,
    The same is made the head of the corner,
    and
    A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence,
    even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

    (emphasis mine)
     
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    I am held responsible for the sins I freely commit, you want man held responsible for the sins God makes them commit. But at the same time you say God is not the one that is responsible for the sin.
    Think of David and Uriah. Who was held responsible for the death of Uriah? If David is, as he should be, then God, under your view, is also responsible for the sins of all men as He determines all the sins that they do.
    That is not biblical and if you do not see that your view is not biblical then you need to study your bible more and read less of Cheung.
     
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    Read your bible.
     
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    I do so. You should do so, as well.
     
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    God is the cause, man is responsible. Seems like your whole theology is this: Man, Man, Man, Man, Man, Man...

    What you teach is a man-ology, not a theo-logy.
     
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    Sounds like you are claiming that either Holy Spirit misspoke or that Peter wrote it wrong in 1 Peter 2:8 that those who stumble were appointed.
     
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    And there it is. You asked for an inconsistency in your theology,look at what you write. You say man is responsible for all the sins he commits yet he has no free will because God has determined all that he will do.

    If you do not see the problems in what you hold to then there really is no hope for you. You will never understand the truths of the bible as you are blinded to them. Matthew 13:15
     
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    Inconsistency?! You are the one that claims you believe that God is sovereign, yet you turn around and say that He is not sovereign and promote Deism instead, that God created everything and then just waits to see what His creation will do and then tries to do some cleanup afterward, if, according to you, they will let Him.
     
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    Taking verses out of context so as to try and support your view is just his way of supporting his view, as I had said. But you keep running from the question don't you. The reality of your theology is not something that you want to deal with.
     
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    Stop falsely saying I am running. I have not backed down from you one single inch.

    Let see you try to explain how all of those seven passages don't mean what they say. How does your man-ology try to distort the Word of God concerning those seven passages?
     
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    Still not dealing with the reality of your theology are you? You have yet to address the question that I asked you. The truth of your view but really be bad if you have to avoid it that much. Your like the Wizard of Oz, you don't want anyone to look behind the curtain of your theology.
     
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    Avoidance of the question will not make it go away. It just shows that you are unable to deal with the reality of your theology.
     
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    What is your question? It is hard to spot and to respond to each point of your false teaching due to the sheer volume of it that you post. If you have a specific question, then ask it without a bunch of extra verbiage so that I can follow your post more easily.
     
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    The same one that you have avoided over and over.

    What is it that keeps a person from seeing and savoring the Christ of all saving grace?

    If you're a consistent Calvinist it's God. God is keeping one from seeing God and yet their held responsible for not seeing God.

    Remember your version of God is "totally absolutely 100% sovereign" so anything that happens or does not happen, He determines. So how or why is the man that rejects God held responsible for doing so as he is actually doing exactly what God has determined for him to do?
     
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    What do you consider false teaching?
    That God is sovereign?
    That He can do with His creation as He pleases?
    That He can allow man to have a free will if He chooses?
    That man is held responsible for the choices they make?

    Or do you think this is a false teaching
    If you are a determinist and your a consistent one then you have a problem and denying that problem will not make it go away.
    You want your version of God to determine all things but then not determine all things when it does not suit you.

    You need to humble yourself before God, your arrogance is your blind spot. Proverbs 3:5-7

    Yours is the false teaching, you just continue to deny this fact.
     
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    God, the Potter, created some vessels for honor and some for dishonor. Romans 9:21 God creates the elect. God creates the reprobates.

    Now, did I answer your question?
     
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    As I have already shown to you, you are falsely accusing me.
     
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