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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Aug 31, 2022.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Your verses provide zero support for your assertion. Just read:
    *1 John 5:6-15*

    This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

    How in the world do you connect your assertion about election with those verses? There is nothing in these verses that supports you.
     
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    Like I said, you do not understand or correctly believe the evidence.
     
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    @AustinC, You typically make false asertions and cannot be reasoned with.
     
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    You literally have no evidence. There is nothing in 1 John 5 that even addresses your assertion let alone supports it. Are you randomly picking verses based off your reference Bible? How did you even pick 1 John 5?

    If you think those verse support you then exegete the passage for us.
     
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    I have never cited 1 John to refer directly to the election. I have argued Ephesians 1:4 does not directly refer to the election. 2 Peter 1:10 does. 1 Peter 1:1-2 refers to the elect. I have argued that Matthew 22:14 refers to the elect.
     
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    Salvation isnt about chance. Election isnt about chance, Limited atonement isnt about chance, its all about God sovereign will to give grace to some[undeserved], and to deny it to others, and they get what they deserve,.
     
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    You deny it my friend, you deny scripture.
     
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    Then why 1 John 5? It has no connection.
    The verses you brought up have been shown to you and explained. You reject the interpretation of others and cling to your own interpretation despite it being shown to be wrong.
     
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    The subject of eternal life.
    Is it not an interpretation that the elect have eternal life, do they not?
     
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    You are all screwed up. Being saved is a result of the election, not the other way around.q
     
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    That is a point of disagreement and interpretation. Receiving salvation is how one becomes one of the elect.
     
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