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Conditional election.

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AustinC

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37818 said:
1 John 5:9-13.
You do not understand or correctly believe the evidence.
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Your verses provide zero support for your assertion. Just read:
*1 John 5:6-15*

This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

How in the world do you connect your assertion about election with those verses? There is nothing in these verses that supports you.
 
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37818

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AustinC said:
Your verses provide zero support for your assertion. Just read:
*1 John 5:6-15*

This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

How in the world do you connect your assertion about election with those verses? There is nothing in these verses that supports you.
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Like I said, you do not understand or correctly believe the evidence.
 
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AustinC

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37818 said:
Like I said, you do not understand or correctly believe the evidence.
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37818 said:
@AustinC, You typically make false asertions and cannot be reasoned with.
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You literally have no evidence. There is nothing in 1 John 5 that even addresses your assertion let alone supports it. Are you randomly picking verses based off your reference Bible? How did you even pick 1 John 5?

If you think those verse support you then exegete the passage for us.
 
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37818

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AustinC said:
You literally have no evidence. There is nothing in 1 John 5 that even addresses your assertion let alone supports it. Are you randomly picking verses based off your reference Bible? How did you even pick 1 John 5?

If you think those verse support you then exegete the passage for us.
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I have never cited 1 John to refer directly to the election. I have argued Ephesians 1:4 does not directly refer to the election. 2 Peter 1:10 does. 1 Peter 1:1-2 refers to the elect. I have argued that Matthew 22:14 refers to the elect.
 
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Brightfame52

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I am fully aware of what your DoG states, are you? When you take your DoG to there logical end they is not much grace in them.

Only those that are included in the Unconditional Election will partake of the Limited Atonement and will be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace. So all men do not have an equal chance to know or trust in God.

As I have said a number of times your man-made theology is not supported by the bible.
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Salvation isnt about chance. Election isnt about chance, Limited atonement isnt about chance, its all about God sovereign will to give grace to some[undeserved], and to deny it to others, and they get what they deserve,.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Why do you deny scripture. The bible is clear that man has a free will and yet you deny this because it does not fit with your DoG.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
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You deny it my friend, you deny scripture.
 
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AustinC

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37818 said:
I have never cited 1 John to refer directly to the election. I have argued Ephesians 1:4 does not directly refer to the election. 2 Peter 1:10 does. 1 Peter 1:1-2 refers to the elect. I have argued that Matthew 22:14 refers to the elect.
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Then why 1 John 5? It has no connection.
The verses you brought up have been shown to you and explained. You reject the interpretation of others and cling to your own interpretation despite it being shown to be wrong.
 
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37818

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AustinC said:
Then why 1 John 5? It has no connection.
The verses you brought up have been shown to you and explained. You reject the interpretation of others and cling to your own interpretation despite it being shown to be wrong.
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The subject of eternal life.
Is it not an interpretation that the elect have eternal life, do they not?
 
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Reformed1689

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37818 said:
Because an election is the result of being saved. Otherwise to ". . . give diligence to make your calling and election sure: . . ." wouldn't be possible.
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You are all screwed up. Being saved is a result of the election, not the other way around.q
 
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