No Bible Doctrine Called Sovereign Grace

[Silverhair]

Read my posts #3, #4, and #5 earlier in this thread.

Saw them already and since I do not agree with the hyper calvinist view of the author. If you want to follow a man that is your choice but I do not and that is why I disagree with what you say. Your view of God is not biblical.

 

[Silverhair]

How can someone dead do anything?

they are dead

not mostly dead

but dead for real

Your right the dead can not sin or respond to a call. That is why the ones that hear the gospel are not "calvinist" dead but they are spiritually dead as in separated from God. Man can hear and respond to the gospel and if they trust in Christ Jesus then God makes them spiritually alive.

 

[Silverhair]

God makes no one sin. We do well enough on our own

With your deterministic God He is the one the determines all things or do we have that wrong? Perhaps He only determines some things which means that man has a free will to actually determine whether he will sin or not or whether he will trust in Christ Jesus or not.

 

[KenH]

such sophomoric and juvenile arguments should have no place in christiandom.

To paraphrase a quote of Dr. Carson in the preface to Robert Haldane's Commentary on Romans - and this applies to both you and @Silverhair:

Your criticisms are arbitrary, forced, and in the highest degree fantastical. Your learning might be boundless, yet your criticism is mere trash.

 

[KenH]

Really, so you think allowing man to make real choices and being responsible for the outcome of those choice

What you are saying is that God knows evil is going to happen and yet does NOTHING to stop it. You, sir, have an unBiblical view of the Bible(and, yes, I capitalize the word Bible; it is puzzling why you do not).

 

[Silverhair]

To paraphrase a quote of Dr. Carson in the preface to Robert Haldane's Commentary on Romans - and this applies to both you and @Silverhair:

Your criticisms are arbitrary, forced, and in the highest degree fantastical. Your learning might be boundless, yet your criticism is mere trash.

You do realize Ken that you are just swimming against the tide. You say on one hand that God determines all things and on the other that He does not because that would make Him the one that is the cause of all the evil in the world. The bible disagrees with your errant view but you are determined to hold on to that view no matter what. God loves His creation and actually desires that all be saved but will not force that on them so He has given man a free will so that they can do what the bible say. Hear and believe unto salvation or reject unto condemnation.

 

[Silverhair]

What you are saying is that God knows evil is going to happen and yet does NOTHING to stop it. You, sir, have an unBiblical view of the Bible(and, yes, I capitalize the word Bible; it is puzzling why you do not).

God does not stop it because He has given man a free will. Do you think putting a capital on bible really makes a difference?

Another thing, your version of God does nothing to stop all those people going to hell, OH right He doesn't stop it because He is the one sending them there for sins that He made them commit. That's your version of a just God but not the biblical one.

 

[Revmitchell]

To paraphrase a quote of Dr. Carson in the preface to Robert Haldane's Commentary on Romans - and this applies to both you and @Silverhair:

Your criticisms are arbitrary, forced, and in the highest degree fantastical. Your learning might be boundless, yet your criticism is mere trash.

Well to quote me “attacking those with whom you disagree with while assigning motives you cannot know is not only bearing false witness but juvenile.”


Your post, carson, nor yourself can know why people reject your doctrine. Attacking them only shows the weakness of your position as well as pride and arrogance. The entire post of yours is a pejorative in nature.

Further more its is easily defeated hence the sophomoric nature. Specifically since God sovereignly chose to have man respond through his consideration of the gospel as the means to obtain salvation then it doesn't negatively effect His sovereignty.

Your [snip] argument is now defeated. God bless.

 

[AustinC]

You do realize Ken that you are just swimming against the tide. You say on one hand that God determines all things and on the other that He does not because that would make Him the one that is the cause of all the evil in the world. The bible disagrees with your errant view but you are determined to hold on to that view no matter what. God loves His creation and actually desires that all be saved but will not force that on them so He has given man a free will so that they can do what the bible say. Hear and believe unto salvation or reject unto condemnation.

"Even for the breath it breaths to sin against God, it is dependent upon the one against whom it sins."
~ Augustine

 

[AustinC]

God does not stop it because He has given man a free will. Do you think putting a capital on bible really makes a difference?

Another thing, your version of God does nothing to stop all those people going to hell, OH right He doesn't stop it because He is the one sending them there for sins that He made them commit. That's your version of a just God but not the biblical one.

"Even for the breath it breaths to sin against God, it is dependent upon the one against whom it sins."
~ Augustine

 

[AustinC]

Well to quote me “attacking those with whom you disagree with while assigning motives you cannot know is not only bearing false witness but juvenile.”


Your post, carson, nor yourself can know why people reject your doctrine. Attacking them only shows the weakness of your position as well as pride and arrogance. The entire post of yours is a pejorative in nature.

Further more its is easily defeated hence the sophomoric nature. Specifically since God sovereignly chose to have man respond through his consideration of the gospel as the means to obtain salvation then it doesn't negatively effect His sovereignty.

Your sophomoric argument is now defeated. God bless.

You have a circular argument that ultimately denies God's sovereignty. Do you see it?

 

[KenH]

You do realize Ken that you are just swimming against the tide.

Fallen man is always attacking the revealed truth of God in the Bible. So I certainly hope that I am swimming against the tide of folks like you who deny the revealed truth of God in the Bible.

 

[Revmitchell]

You can't defeat the truth, Mitchell. It is arrogant on your part to claim that you can defeat the revealed truth of God in the Bible.

I see you can only post other peoples arguments. Based on this post you have none of your own. Lends to the idea that you have not done your own study you just post other peoples vitriolic junk.

 

[KenH]

Another thing, your version of God does nothing to stop all those people going to hell

If God had not elected some, "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Revelation 7:9), then every person would be lost.

 

[KenH]

Lends to the idea that you have not done your own study you just post other peoples vitriolic junk.

Better to study what men who faithfully teach God's Word have written or said, than to follow after people like you with your supposedly "orginal" thoughts.

 

[Silverhair]

Fallen man is always attacking the revealed truth of God in the Bible. So I certainly hope that I am swimming against the tide of folks like you who deny the revealed truth of God in the Bible.

If you were actually posting the revealed truth of the bible would not be disagreeing with you. What you are posting is your errant philosophy called calvinism. Your view most calvinists do not even agree with.

 

[Silverhair]

If God had not elected some, "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Revelation 7:9), then every person would be lost.

Those that trust in the risen Lord are the elect not your chosen before the foundation of the world ones. You abuse the bible and disagree with scripture. The verse you reference does not say as you seem to think that is just the picked out ones of calvinism. It actually points to those that have trusted in Christ Jesus but does not specify why or how. It could be your view, although that would not be biblical, or it could be because they heard and trusted the gospel message and God by His grace saved them because they believed in His son, which is biblical.

 

[Silverhair]

Better to study what men who faithfully teach God's Word have written or said, than to follow after people like you with your supposedly "orginal" thoughts.

Better to trust in what the bible teaches rather than trust in some man to tell you what he thinks the bible says.

 

[AustinC]

Better to trust in what the bible teaches rather than trust in some man to tell you what he thinks the bible says.

Which is why we don't trust you as far as we could throw you, Sliverhair.

 

[AustinC]

Those that trust in the risen Lord are the elect not your chosen before the foundation of the world ones. You abuse the bible and disagree with scripture. The verse you reference does not say as you seem to think that is just the picked out ones of calvinism. It actually points to those that have trusted in Christ Jesus but does not specify why or how. It could be your view, although that would not be biblical, or it could be because they heard and trusted the gospel message and God by His grace saved them because they believed in His son, which is biblical.

Those that trust in the risen Lord are those who were elect before the foundation of the world. They are one and the same.