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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Salty, Feb 24, 2023.

  1. Salty

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  2. Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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    I don't know if there is a BF&M 2020 or not, just making a hypothetical that some SBC Churches will adhere to different years of BF&M.

    I've seen one Church adhere to 1925 for some reason or other while other ones adhere to the 2000. Churches will use different BF&M just like they use confessions to show where they stand on certain items.
     
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    1) didn't realize you were being hypothetical.

    2) When I became a pastor of my current church - they had not had a business meeting
    for 10 years!
    My point being is that some churches just consider some things unimportant!
     
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    I'm curious as to why that is an issue. The worldview behind the governing authorities is the issue, not the gender.

    Maybe so, but they also ensured the fair and just treatment of their slaves, and as with their style of governance, this was driven by a Christian ethic. George Whitefield (not a puritan per se) was eulogized in a poem by Phillis Wheatley - a man who simultaneously advocated for slavery, yet also fought for the humane treatment of slaves, and for the rights of blacks.

    http://www.joelbeeke.org/wp-content...Anti-Slavery-in-Reformed-Puritan-Doctrine.pdf

    I believe their social standards were again governed by a Christian ethic - we can see what happened in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in the generation following the first generation, and it had nothing to do with biblical social standards, but rather, the discarding of a Christian social standard.
     
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    The failure of the puritans is a failure that most denominations have suffered. We can see that in the Methodists, and currently with the SBC, and so on. Subsequent generations have less of a passion for God than their forefathers, they allow compromise within their churches, loosen biblical instruction, etc. and it ends in a shipwreck.
     
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    There are always the common beliefs that make up a church and there is another set of "rules" that are for group cohesion and survival in an environment. All I'm saying is that the Puritan system that worked in 1650 in the New World was not as important in the 1700's when you had stable settlements, towns, a militia, and a chance for prosperous trade with people who were different. So the rules and the social cohesiveness start breaking down. You don't have any real Puritan churches today because of that. Demanding lifestyles are hard to maintain.
     
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    Too some extent - that is true - With the Methodists - those who want to hold up to Biblical standards have left /will be leaving and forming the Global Methodist Church.

    With the SBC - back in 60's and 70's many, many churches left the SBC to become IF.B.
    But many more stayed and then the liberals left and then started the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, and the Alliance of Baptists A good book to read is "On a Hill to Die for" by Judge Paul Pressler. Granted, there are still some liberals left in the SBC - but as independent Baptist churches - they have that right.
     
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    He is NOT a Baptist rather a Presbyterian Church Theology professor so why would I credit him with knowing anything about Baptist history?
     
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    He is NOT a Baptist rather a Presbyterian Church Theology professor so why would I credit him with knowing anything about Baptist history?
     
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    I think this was put beautifully: 'He was friendly to scholars, saints, and sinners; and he was faithful to the cause of Christ. He laughed deeply, he listened carefully to people, and he wrote masterfully – especially the story of Christian history and the work of Christ in the church.
     
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    Read the obit closer. 'A graduate of Temple University (BS, MA) and West Virginia University (PhD), Dr. McGoldrick was ordained as Pastor of Pittsgrove Baptist Church in Elmer, New Jersey in 1959, where he remained until 1965. For one year (1965-1966), Dr. McGoldrick pastored Calvary Baptist Church in Pittman, New Jersey. From 1966 to 2021, Dr. McGoldrick taught History and Church History at a variety of institutions: John Brown University in Siloam Springs, Arkansas from 1966 to 1970; West Virginia University in Morgantown, West Virginia from 1970 to 1973; Cedarville University in Cedarville, Ohio from 1973 to 2001; and Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Taylors, South Carolina from 2001 to 2021. Great Lakes Presbytery received Dr. McGoldrick into the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) in 2001

    He was a staunch adherent to 'Baptist Secessionism' and taught it for many years until his own research debunked it.
     
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    So nice you said it twice. So would a Baptist be disqualified to deal with Presbyterian history? Of course not.
     
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    Just because you are not in a certain group does not mean that you cannot be knowledgable.

    Lately on the TV game show, Jeopardy - there have been several Canadians - who were excellent in US History, geography and ect......
     
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    Duh… Presbyterians are infant baptists. Ask this theology expert if that is biblical. That disqualifies him to make commentary against Baptists
     
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    Oh the Canadians! :Laugh
     
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    A false Baptist who had no problem slandering Baptists then to turn his back on/ abandoned them to become a Presbyterian. Sounds lIke a career move to me.
     
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    He abandoned sound biblical teaching in favor of pedobaptistic sacramental … yea, seems credible to me :Sneaky
     
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    I will repeat again for your benefit EWF. Should a Baptist scholar be disqualified in dealing with Presbyterian history?
     
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    YES absolutely! ESP his move from Baptist to Presbyterian theology!
     
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    … or somebody offered him a better deal… far from a stellar personality!
     
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