Featured The Truth About the Biblical Act of Predestination.

Well canadyjd, the prefix, "pre" before the word destination means something. I cannot think of a better meaning than the destination has been predetermined and is not open to change. Then when I read the context and find out the destination is to glorification in a new body, I feel I must consider that is what i am to believe is the destination of those who have trusted in Christ. What do you think the "manifestation of the children of God" is? Only the children of God are going to be glorified with a new body.

There is even more in the context that we have not discussed yet. Yet none of what is left to talk about detracts from the facts of glorification as the destination that is predetermined.

Really, I do not see why reading plain language is so difficult. Follow the logic and be reasonable. If the scriptures correct you then say "amen." That is a purpose they are good at.

 

Sorry, but that is simply false. Not even the context and the words will allow for such a position. The believers in Christ since the cross are predestined to be glorified when they are given the new glorious bodies.This is the blessed hope of the church. It is to be an individual resurrection and a collective resurrection of the corruptibles, the saints that have died, and also those who remain the mortals, and are yet alive at the coming of Christ for his bride, . His bride will be clothed upon with glory to meet him in the air and to go with him to the Father's house.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things)

20 For our conversation (citizenship) is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

All our words of Rom 8 are in Eph 1 except for the word forknowledge, for the reason I have already explained. All these quotes are speaking of the same predestination to glory.

The Lord is good.

 

Point 1) above

There are not many pages in scripture where it is not affirmed that Israel is God's chosen people.
In 58 AD paul, A saved man since 37/38 AD affirmed his Jewisness and placed himself squarely as a member of the people of God. Read it yourself.

Ro 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

....and BTW, look at who he said God foreknew. It is just unwise to argue with the scriptures of truth.

Point 2) above

They are not Bible believers if they do not believe what the Bible says. Sorry!

Point #3) above

Dogs are symbolic of gentiles. The concision are unbelieving and antichrist Jews. Physical circumcision typified the spititual cutting away of personal sins by the Spirit of God.

Point #4 Above

I have said this befoire but I will continue to say it. The apostle Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, the man who gave the doctrines of the church, never called any gentile ever a sheep and he did not call the church sheep. He used the word one time and it was in Rom 8, clearly in a Jewish context.

Anywhere you see the word sheep in a symbolic setting you are looking at physical children of Abraham. That is just the way it is. There are no exceptions.

Jer 50:17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

There is great value in believing the words and honoring context of scripture.

 

Grace had it's beginning as a dispensation with the inclusion of the gentiles into the fellowship of Christian saints in Acts 10. This was after God himself taught Peter the great dispensational truth using the dietary laws, which he made null and void to a strict law keeping Jew, and then sent him to open the door of faith to the gentiles. This is something he would never have done except for the intervention of God himself.

There is no such Bible doctrine of "sovereign" grace. The idea of it is just plain silly.

Dispensation.
Exemption from a rule or usual requirement.

 

You are making statements to me and expecting me to believe them in the same way these statements were made to you and you did believe them. Without a single thread of evidence.

When I make the statement that God never, ever, no never, refers to one gentile or a number of gentiles with the word "sheep" and you think I am wrong, your first reaction should be to quote God calling gentiles sheep. It is you who are insisting that the metaphor "sheep" is to apply to gentiles. You have two men posting agreements with you. This means you are leading men astray and teaching them something that God has not said and influencing them to relegate the word of God to submit to your claims.

The metaphors in the scriptures are of extreme importance and if you do not try to understand them then you have zero chance of coming to sound doctrine. The metaphor for gentiles is "dog." It is used several times in scripture to finger gentiles. Here is just one from the wonderful Lord Jesus Christ.

Mt 15:21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Is it in the mind of God to save the dogs? Here is an instance when we find out it is, and when it is.

A couple of dogs comes to Jesus while he is ministering to the sheep. Watch it. This was during the last week of Jesus earthly ministry.

Joh 12:20 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.(we have understood this to mean he will be the firstborn son of God from the grave at his resurrection)
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

You men who do not believe words and cannot discern the metaphors will likely be unable to understand that he will receive the dogs after his glorification when he will enter into his office as the perfect Priest and mediate between gentiles and God through his own blood sacrifice for them. I, by God's grace, understand this.

The number 24 in the scriptures is associated with the priesthood. Salvation of the dogs is the much fruit of his sacrifice.

When you make the following incredible statement, you in effect admit that you have no confidence in the words and promises of God;

The government of God over the earth is what the entire Bible is about. The restitution of all things to it's pristine state is the aim of God that will be completed by him and those who serve him.

To the 12 Jewish apostles, who are Christians and are the foundation stones of the church of Jesus Christ (Ep 2:19 Now therefore ye [gentiles in context], are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints [Jewish believers in Christ], and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit), he said the following in his conversation with these men;

Mt 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Twelve foundational members of the church of Jesus Christ sitting upon 12 thrones of Israel as judges. And you say there is no Israel but the church and Israel is the same without explaining how the apostles can be foundational to something that predates them by thousands of years. Thrones are in the context of government. Thrones are in the eternal state on earth in Re 21 where a definite distinction is made between the church of Jesus Christ and the state of Israel.



Ac 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things (a theocratic government), which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

These are the words you and the men do not seem to accept..