Friday or Wednesday? Thursday?

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What had became a long tradition. Christ was believed to be crucified on a Friday. This was based on the gospel of John. On the day of Christ's crucifixion John's account reports, ". . . And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: . . ." Community interpreted being the sixth day of the week during the Passover interpreted as being about noon according to Jewish reckoning of the hours of the day. [Roman reckoning being out 6 A.M. morning]

R. A. Torrey in his book "Difficulties in The Bible," he makes the case for a Wednesday crucifixion.

In short, my question became was Christ crucified on Friday or Wednesday? A parallel verse by verse study, I stumbled on to the crucifixion occurred on a Thursday. [As I remember in 1969.]
Key: Jewish days are reckoned sun set to sun set.

Now Mark 14:12, ". . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? . . ."
The first day of unleavened bread is one the Jewish calendar day the 14th. Exodus 12:18. Is also the day the Passover lamb was killed. Exodus 12:6.

The beginning of the next day following the Passover, Mark 14:17, Jesus and His 12 disciples met to eat the Passover.

Now on that next day after Jesus was crucified, Mark 15:42, [using the Geneva Bible], ". . . And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath) . . ."

Notice here Greek word meaning "late" typically understood as evening, the Geneva translated as night. In other words it is the beginning of the Jewish Preparation day being the sixth day of the week. Thursday evening.


ADMIN NOTE:

The poll was just added with the approval of the OP
37 also made this statement:
What is at stake.
If there cannot be any single definitive date He was crucified, that leaves no resurrection. The day and date must be according to Scripture and to the Jewish calendar.

 

[37818]

What had became a long tradition. Christ was believed to be crucified on a Friday. This was based on the gospel of John. On the day of Christ's crucifixion John's account reports, ". . . And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: . . ." Community interpreted being the sixth day of the week during the Passover interpreted as being about noon according to Jewish reckoning of the hours of the day. [Roman reckoning being out 6 A.M. morning]

Now Luke reported, in Luke 22:1, ". . . Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. . . ." So in Jesus' day all eight days were called the Passover.

Numbers 28:16-24, "And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram: A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering."

And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
This is two statements.
The 7 days refer to the 14-20 per Exodus 12:18.
And in 6 days of the feast 15-20, per Deuteronomy 16:8.
There are not 8 days of unleavened bread.

Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days,
During the 7 days of the feast, 15-21 preparations daily must be done. And these animals the priest eat.

 

[Salty]

Please Note a poll was added
and additional info added in the OP

 

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[Van]

Yet another thread to dispute the day of Christ's death, rather than the meaning of His resurrection Sunday morning!

 

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Yet another thread to dispute the day of Christ's death, rather than the meaning of His resurrection Sunday morning!

If there cannot be any single definitive date He was crucified, that leaves no resurrection.

What was the date of the resurrction?
What was the date of Mark 14:12?

 

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In my view there is no mystery to this question but it is good to ask questions of the texts. It is how we learn, especially if we allow the texts to answer.

The Lord was crucified on Friday. I could give several verifying proofs from the scriptures. Since I have only five minutes to spare now I will give just one.

Lu 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found [it] even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed [it], and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.

Counting backward from the third day. Sunday, (1), Saturday, (2) Friday (3).

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week (Sunday) cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Mt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Jesus was in the tomb 3 days. Jewish reckoning is that any part of a day counts for a day. He was put in the tomb before the 12 hour on Friday, the day he was crucified. He was in the tomb on the sabbath, the 7th day. He rose very early in the morning on the third day, Sunday, the eighth day, the day in scripture of new beginnings. It is logical. It makes sense.

 

[AustinC]

Jesus died on Friday, somewhere around 3pm. That is day 1. At sundown, Friday, through sundown Saturday, that is day 2.Jesus rose on Sunday morning. That is day 3.

 

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Jesus died on Friday, somewhere around 3pm. That is day 1. At sundown, Friday, through sundown Saturday, that is day 2.Jesus rose on Sunday morning. That is day 3.

How do you come to your Friday view? What is the date and year of that Friday in your view?

 

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and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

The third day since.
A second day since would be?
A first day since would be?
So the day of those things was?

 

[AustinC]

How do you come to your Friday view? What is the date and year of that Friday in your view?

*Luke 23:53-54*
Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen shroud and laid him in a tomb cut in stone, where no one had ever yet been laid. It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning.

The day of preparation is Friday, until sundown, when it becomes the 2nd day.
Where people get confused is in thinking day one and day 3 have to be a full 24 hours of death for Jesus. It doesn't have to be that way. In the narrative, Jesus died on Friday, but it was only 3 hours or so until the 2nd day (Sabbath) began, and then on Saturday evening the 3rd day began so that you have 3 days of death, but not 72 hours of death. Jesus was dead perhaps for 40 hours.

 

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The day of preparation is Friday,

Beginning Thursday at evening per Mark 15:42.

 

[percho]

Lev 23:4 'These are appointed seasons of Jehovah, holy convocations, which ye proclaim in their appointed seasons:

Lev 23:5 in the first month, on the fourteenth of the month, between the evenings, is the passover to Jehovah;
NOTE: This day is not a holy convocation. This is the day of the crucifixion, Christ died a little past the 9th hour 3 PM.

Lev 23:6,7 and on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast of unleavened things to Jehovah; seven days unleavened things ye do eat; on the first day -15th- ye have a holy convocation, ye do no servile work;
NOTE: Called in John 19:31 a high day Sabbath It was Luke 23:54 And the day was a preparation, and sabbath was approaching; therefore John 19:41,42 and there was in the place where he was crucified a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one was yet laid; there, therefore, because of the preparation of the Jews, because the tomb was nigh, they laid Jesus.
It was after this Sabbath the women bought and prepared spices. Mark 16:1 And the sabbath [singular] having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,
The 16th day of the first month a regular work day they bought and prepared spices and rested the weekly Sabbath according to the command Luke 23 56 YLT and having turned back, they made ready spices and ointments, and on the sabbath, indeed, they rested, according to the command. Also a holy convocation day of rest Lev 23:3

After the Sabbaths [plural] were past they went to the tomb arriving while it was still dark and Je3sus was gone.
Matt 28:1 YLT And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre, The 17th day of the first month

The morrow after the sabbath when the first fruit of the harvest was lifted up to God to be accepted for us.
When Jesus the first fruit out of the dead ascended to the Father to be accepted for us.
Not a holy convocation day.

The day of first fruit Num 28:26, a holy convocation day is fifty days from the above day.

Wednesday - Saturday

 

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The third day since.
A second day since would be?
A first day since would be?
So the day of those things was?

There are 89 verses in the 4 gospel accounts. 29 of of those verses pertain to the last week of Jesus life on earth. That is 33% plus of the verses in those gospels (imagine that). We can know on which day Jesus was crucified.. We are told Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week. Do you know anything about the number structure of the scriptures? The first day of the week is Sunday. It is the day after the sabbath. It is the beginning of a new week. where there will be new creatures through a new birth.

Mr 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

The reason they did not anoint the body of Jesus when they removed his body from the cross is because of time restrictions. They did not have time before the sabbath when it would have violated the law.
There is no excuse for anyone reading what I am getting ready to quote from Luke and still struggle to answer the question. It tells us WHEN was the preparation day, Friday, the day Jesus was crucified. Read on.

And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:
51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.

53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

That day was the day he was crucified and it was the preparation day and the Sabbath day was close.

Look at what these women did;
55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.


1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

I have posted the record of all three days. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I have jaw dropping incredulity at you fellows never wanting to believe the words. There is just no mystery to this.

The scriptures gives us a day by day chronology of the week leading up to the crucifixion. When I point it out there can be no doubt that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose from the dead on Sunday. I will try to do that in my next post, maybe Thursday.

 

[percho]

In memory of Tcassidy
3/21/2018

The crucifixion was on the Preparation Day which fell on Wednesday, 14 Nisan, in 31 AD (the only year that fits, astronomically).

His body was taken down as the sabbath (special High Sabbath - first day of passover) was approaching.

He was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights.

He was gone when the ladies arrived before dawn on Sunday, the first day of the week.

Now, just a bit of simple math.

Sundown Wednesday to sundown Thursday - day 1 (Special Sabbath)

Sundown Thursday to sundown Friday - day 2 (Ladies shopped for burial supplies)

Sundown Friday to sundown Saturday - day 3 (weekly sabbath - ladies couldn't finish the burial process)

He arose after sundown and was gone before sunup Sunday when the ladies arrived to complete the burial process.

 

[AustinC]

Beginning Thursday at evening per Mark 15:42.

Sure, but that's not the day Christ died. He died at approximately 3pm on Friday, which was still the day of preparation. The second day started at sundown, say 6 pm. The third day started at say 6pm on Saturday and Jesus arose from the dead in early Sunday morning.

 

[Alan Gross]

What had became a long tradition. Christ was believed to be crucified on a Friday. This was based on the gospel of John. On the day of Christ's crucifixion John's account reports, ". . . And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: . . ." Community interpreted being the sixth day of the week during the Passover interpreted as being about noon according to Jewish reckoning of the hours of the day. [Roman reckoning being out 6 A.M. morning]

R. A. Torrey in his book "Difficulties in The Bible," he makes the case for a Wednesday crucifixion.

In short, my question became was Christ crucified on Friday or Wednesday? A parallel verse by verse study, I stumbled on to the crucifixion occurred on a Thursday. [As I remember in 1969.]
Key: Jewish days are reckoned sun set to sun set.

Now Mark 14:12, ". . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? . . ."
The first day of unleavened bread is one the Jewish calendar day the 14th. Exodus 12:18. Is also the day the Passover lamb was killed. Exodus 12:6.

The beginning of the next day following the Passover, Mark 14:17, Jesus and His 12 disciples met to eat the Passover.

Now on that next day after Jesus was crucified, Mark 15:42, [using the Geneva Bible], ". . . And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath) . . ."

Notice here Greek word meaning "late" typically understood as evening, the Geneva translated as night. In other words it is the beginning of the Jewish Preparation day being the sixth day of the week. Thursday evening.


ADMIN NOTE:

The poll was just added with the approval of the OP
37 also made this statement:
What is at stake.
If there cannot be any single definitive date He was crucified, that leaves no resurrection. The day and date must be according to Scripture and to the Jewish calendar.

Wednesday 30A.D. Nisan 14 Resurrection on Saturday 17.

"On the day of Christ's crucifixion John's account reports, ". . . And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: . . ."

As we have discussed a little bit before, the issue to me is the "Passover".

Which "Passover"?

There are different ones.

The problem may be in taking the wrong turn at "THE Passover".

...

Thank you, for bringing up R.A. Torrory;
he looks like he has some REAL CHRISTIAN STUFF!

This is a .pdf of his:
DIFFICULTIES IN THE BIBLE

WAS JESUS REALLY THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS
IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH? pg. 58 of 71, in this link's .pdf!!

...
He has a LOT of articles, here:
STUDY RESOURCES :: TEXT COMMENTARIES :: R. A. TORREY
Bible Text Commentaries by R. A. Torrey

And MUCH at
The HathiTrust Digital Library

 

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Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh <2038> hitherto, and I work <2038>.
Joh 6:27 Labour <2038> not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work <2038> the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them , This is the work <2041> of God, that ye believe <4100> (5661) on him whom he hath sent .
Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work <2038>?

Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

The work that God gave the son to do was finished on Friday and they laid his body to rest at the very end of the work week, at the end of the day on Friday. That was day 1. He rested from his labor on the sabbath. Sabbath means rest. He rested all day. it was day 2. Everyone else rested as well. The work of redemption was done. Jesus had made a way to the Father by dealing with the sin problem in his own body. When the sabbath was over, he rose very early in the morning on the first day of the week. That was not a sabbath day, it was the beginning of a new week and God does not lounge around during a work day.

God the Father had sent his Son to labor in his vineyard and his Son went back to the Father when the work was done. Many had come to the Father through the Son and the Father had given the Son all who would come to him. Now, as the Father had sent the Son to labor, the Son sends those who are his sons to labor in the field that his house might be full when he returns.

Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Lu 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.

What a wonderful Bible. God let's us in on his secrets if we will believe his words.

We will be working the whole week until the next sabbath. The eternal sabbath looms ahead.

 

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After the Sabbaths [plural] . . .

Unique to the New Testament Greek has the meaning of the week.
Matthew 28:1.
Mark 16:2.
Luke 18:12.
Luke 24:1.
John 20:1.
John 20:19.
Acts of the Apostles 20:7.
1 Corinthians 16:2.

Wednesday - Saturday

4th day to the 7th day Sabbath. And the Jewish calendar dates, and the A.D. year?

 

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Wednesday 30A.D. Nisan 14 Resurrection on Saturday 17.

"On the day of Christ's crucifixion John's account reports, ". . . And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: . . ."

As we have discussed a little bit before, the issue to me is the "Passover".

Which "Passover"?

There are different ones.

The problem may be in taking the wrong turn at "THE Passover".

...

Thank you, for bringing up R.A. Torrory;
he looks like he has some REAL CHRISTIAN STUFF!

This is a .pdf of his:
DIFFICULTIES IN THE BIBLE

WAS JESUS REALLY THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS
IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH? pg. 58 of 71, in this link's .pdf!!

...
He has a LOT of articles, here:
STUDY RESOURCES :: TEXT COMMENTARIES :: R. A. TORREY
Bible Text Commentaries by R. A. Torrey

And MUCH at
The HathiTrust Digital Library

Well, it is explicit, Mark 14:12 was the 14th, the day before the crucifixion. Being the following day after the evening per Mark 14:17.