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Key: Jewish days are reckoned sun set to sun set.
. . . understand the Jewish days begin with their evenings . . . .
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Key: Jewish days are reckoned sun set to sun set.
. . . understand the Jewish days begin with their evenings . . . .
There is the 7th day Sabbath following the 6th day called the Preparation Day.
You do understand the Jewish days begin with their evenings? Mark 14:17 the beginning of the 15th day of the month following the 14th, Mark 14:12-16. And the beginning of the 16th of the month being also the beginning of the Preparation Day being the 6th day before the Sabbath being the 7th day, Mark 15:42.
". . . And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, . . ."
The day Friday begins at midnight. The Preparation Day began at Thursday evening after sunset.Here are some probing questions for you. Do the following scriptures not testify that Jesus was in the tomb for a time on Friday and all 24 hours on the day of Saturday, and for a time on Sunday and rose again on Sunday?
The 6 days before the 14th is the 8th. The 14th was on Wednesday. The 8th would be Thursday.John said Jesus came into Bethany 6 days before the Passover Jn 12:1.
Because the 15th was a feast of the Passover Sabbath Joseph being Jewish had to wait till after evening the beginning of the 6th day of the week, the beginning of the day of Preparation the day before the 7th day to ask for the body of Jesus.57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple:
58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
The day Friday begins at midnight. The Preparation Day began at Thursday evening after sunset.
The 6 days before the 14th is the 8th. The 14th was on Wednesday. The 8th would be Thursday.
Because the 15th was a feast of the Passover Sabbath Joseph being Jewish had to wait till after evening the beginning of the 6th day of the week, the beginning of the day of Preparation the day before the 7th day to ask for the body of Jesus.
Mark 14:12, was the 14th.
Mark 14:17 was the beginning of the 15th
Mark 15:42 was the end of the 15th.
The Jewish days of the week begin with their evenings.
Our day names, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday being at midnight.
The day Friday begins at midnight.
Who is saying the Jewish days did not begin at evening?Why can't these 6 days of John 12 all begin in the evening as all Jewish days do?
Unleavened bread began on the evening of the 14th per Exodus 12:18. The same day the Passover Lamb was killed, Mark 14:12, Luke 22:7.2) Unleavened Bread - 15th Day at evening - Unleavened bread typifies the body of Jesus in the tomb without corruption.
Now it is not commmonly understood, the Feast of unleavend bread of the Passover and the seven days of unleavend bread ARE NOT the same seven days. The seven days of unleaven bread, 14-20 per Exodus 12:18 ending at the evening of the 21, also per Deuteronomy 16:8. The Feast being the 15-21.6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
False, ". . . And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, . . ." It just began, not ending. The Geneva Bible makes this clear, ". . . And nowe when the night was come . . . ."He says the preparation day is the day Jesus was crucified and it was the day before the Sabbath,
Who is saying the Jewish days did not begin at evening?
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The day Friday begins at midnight. The Preparation Day began at Thursday evening after sunset.
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No place in this thread have I denied the Jewish days begin with there evenings.You do!
No place in this thread have I denied the Jewish days begin with there evenings.
The day names Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday are NOT the Jewish day names. And for us those day names begin at midnight.
How did you come to that understanding?Wednesday.
How did you come to that understanding?
It is my understanding in 30 A.D. Wednesday was the day before His crucifixion per Mark 14:12-17. And Mark 14:17, Wednesday evening at sundown Jesus and His disciples met to eat the Passover.
Are you sure that is what it says?It is said that Jesus was crucified on “the day before the sabbath” (Mark 15:42).
This year 2023 is similar to 30 A.D. The 14th is on a Wednesday. And Wednesday evening after sunset is the 15th of the Jewish month of their Passover observation similar to what Jesus and His disciples sat to begin eat, per Mark 14:17-21. Except Jesus per Luke 22:15-18, "And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. . . ."
Not at issue.John says that Jesus came to Bethany 6 days before the Passover.
Stop right there. Where?John says that Jesus came to Bethany 6 days before the Passover. I have demonstrated by the scriptures where Mark accounted for 6 days,
Jesus' body was taken down after sundown at the beginning of the Preparation Day. [Thursday] In the evening. Just as the Scriptures explicitly teach. If you want to force a Friday use the JW NWT Bible. Has Mark 15:42 read "afternoon."John says that Jesus came to Bethany 6 days before the Passover. I have demonstrated by the scriptures where Mark accounted for 6 days with the preparation day falling on Friday, I have shown Luke saying Jesus was taken off the cross as the Sabbath was nearing. I showed where the women followed Joseph to the tomb to see where they laid him so they could come back after the sabbath to anoint his body for the burial because they did not have the necessary time before the sabbath began. The day Jesusd died was the preparation day. There can be no doubt if one considers the following statements.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Joh 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews’ preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
Jn 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
What day would the first day of the week be to John who wrote this? According to the information I have quoted from John, who was there, what day does he say is the preparation day? What happened on the preparation day according to a comparison of verses 19 and 42?
Counting a Jewish day of being 24 hours long and equally divided between evening and morning with the day beginning at 6:00 in the evening? What day would Jn 20:1 above be speaking of? In your scenario, counting backward, what day would be the Jewish sabbath? Would it not be on the day of the triumphal entry into Jerusalem? Would the celebration of Jesus by the Jews be a violation of the sabbath laws, the very crime that the Jewish rulers had accused Jesus of?
Joh 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Are all three days Jesus was in the tomb noted in the following quote?
50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:
51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
54 And that day was the preparation, (FRIDAY) and the sabbath (Saturday) drew on.
55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day (from 6 PM to - 6 PM) according to the commandment.
1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, ( Sunday morning, more than 36 hours after Jesus had been put in the tomb) they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Here is what Mark said;
1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make [it] as sure as ye can.
66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Matthew seems to agree that the preparation was on day 6, which would be Friday.
59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make [it] as sure as ye can.
66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Do you mind laying out in the scriptures how you get the crucifixion was on Thursday? How could it be? It violates and confuses the similitudes and types it seems. Do you agree?
The major problem is the tradition of beliving the crucifixion took place on the 14th of Nisan. Hince the Friday and Wednesday views. According to Mark 14:12 the 14th of Nisan is the day before the crucifixion!So it's not a problem if you believe a different day than me. I just want to be accurate per Scripture, and I think Wednesday best fits all the Scriptures given.