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" And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." ( Genesis 2:16 ).

Adam didn't die, physically, the day he ate the fruit...
He "died" ( was alienated from God ) that day. His sin placed a relational chasm between him and the Lord.

In other words, spiritual death is relational, and sin distanced ourselves, in our hearts and minds, from God;
That's what spiritual death is, Jon, to become alienated from the Lord in our affections and will.

Mankind "died" in Adam ( again, Romans 5:12-14 )...
Those who are saved are made "alive" in Christ ( reconciled to God, spiritually ).

 

I believe I just showed you.

I get my understanding of it directly through reading and believing God's word, Jon.

Spiritual life is to know God, personally, and to be connected to Him via His Spirit.
Spiritual death is the opposite....that much I can plainly see from God's word.

 

Straight out of the Bible...
Ephesians 4, Romans 1, Romans 3, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, many other places where the Lord speaks of man's attitude towards Him.

No. I believe that Adam was created spiritually alive ( knowing God, personally ) and then "died" when he disobeyed God and sin hardened his heart towards Him.

Cain was "of the wicked one" ( 1 John 3:12 )...
He was "dead" from day one ( Psalms 58:3 ).

What's more, all of humanity, from the time of Adam, are "dead" from day one.

I don't see anywhere in the Scriptures where Adam was ever born of the Spirit.
Further, someone who is born of the Spirit, cannot ever die, spiritually:

" Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? ( John 11:25 ). <--- "Die" here is not speaking with respect to physical death, it is referring to spiritual death and life. Believers, for example, have died, physically, for centuries...

But they will never die, spiritually.

 

I think it is an error to ignore the unique status of Adam. Luke 3:38. '.....The son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.' Man is the apex of God's creation. Before the creation of Adam, God pronounced His world to be 'good' (Genesis 1:25); after his creation, God pronounced it 'very good' (Genesis 1:31). Man's commission was to have 'dominion' over all of creation.(Genesis 1:28). Although the man was placed in the Garden, it was not intended for him to stay there. He was called to 'fill the earth and subdue it.' He was made in the 'image' and 'likeness' of God (Genesis 1:26). The two words appear to be synonyms.

It appears that God was accustomed to walk in the Garden, and presumably to have fellowship with the first couple (Genesis 3:8). Also we read that, '... They were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed' (Genesis 2:25). Shame only came in after the fell into sin (Genesis 3:7). I take this to mean that the first couple had no covering for their sin; there was no means of expiation. But that did not matter since there was no sin.

For these reasons it seems to me quite wrong to suppose that Adam was born 'dead in trespasses and sins' like his progeny (Ephesians 2:1). On the contrary, we are told that '... God made man upright' (Ecclesiastes 7:29), and the context of the verse indicates that it means more than that God made man to walk on two legs (which of course He did).

Adam was also made immortal. God told him, "....... In the day that you eat of it [the forbidden fruit] you shall surely die' [literally, 'dying, you shall die]." Surely it is ridiculous to suppose that God might have added, "and if you don't eat it, you're still going to die." What sort of prohibition would that have been?

If this is agreed, perhaps we might move on to consider what happened at the Fall.

 

The word of God teaches no such thing.

 

I don't either but, I won't beat around the bush, you want to see a picture of spiritual death?... As they say a picture is worth a thousand words!

Luke 16: 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Now tell me Jon this man did not have a physical body, so he must be spiritually dead consumed in a flame of everlasting torment... The spiritually alive go to Heaven... Where do the spiritually dead go?... Adam may have been spiritually dead but he didn't stay that way... Brother Glen

Genesis 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

There has got to be more to it than physical death because the man was not just a natural man he had communion with God... So he had a physical as well as a spiritual connection with God... God didn't break the connection, Adam did... And the remedy was ready... And the Lord sent the second Adam to restore the first one and all that belong to the Lord by his Salvation and grace... So Jon your spiritually inability didn't put us there our spiritual depravity did... Brother Glen

 

Well I don't believe that it is a Catholic doctrine but that is the first time I heard it... But before me saying weather it is or not let me check with one who had been in the RCC for I believe he said 35 years who is now of a Primitive Baptist belief... EWF?... What say you Brother?... Brother Glen

 

No one is out of God's presence.
Jesus on the cross bearing our sin according to Psalms 22:1 by being forsaken.
Revelation 14:10-11, ". . . shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, . . ."
Noting God's Holy Angels and His Lamb also represent Him even as Jesus Christ is our sole mediator. 1 Timothy 2:5 and ,John 14:6.

 

Yes,

So the moment he sinned, as God promised. He died (spiritually)

Physical death is a product of sin, but not the penalty of sin.

 

No, if this was true, everyone who died physically would pay for their own sin, and would be allowed into heaven. We also know 2 who never died. And we know many in the last days will nto suffer death but be ressurected.

I was dead in sin, that was the penalty. I must be made alive, that is the gift.

Since spiritual rebirth is the gift. Spiritual death is the curse.