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Adam was spiritually alive, He walked with God., they had a relationship/ They were in union.

When adam sinned. That relationship, that unity they had, that walk with God was killed. It was destroyed. There was a barrier between Adam and God and that barrier had to be removed..

 

Dave G: Genesis 2:7 is what I base it on. The breath that God breathed into. Adam became his spirit, and the union of his spirit with his body gave rise to the soul.

 

How are Elijah and Elisha in the context of the subject of the op? How did that work. Elisha had a body in which was his soul and two Holy Spirits? Is that the take away that God intends by including this information about these two men?
Think man. God has given us an understanding of himself and his ways and there is a proper context that must be acknowledged.

 

Someone contended only two people in the OT had spiritual life. I showed there was at least a third.

 

Adam was created spiritually and physically alive to God

The moment he sinned, He died spiritually, he died physically 900 years later

You want to call it a strawman, feel free. But the facts are the facts. Whether you like it or not.

 

You don’t get it. And I seem to be unable to explain to you in. Way you can understand

Adam died the moment he sinned, God said so.

I will place my trust in what God said

 

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8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and for ever. Heb 13 [1 Peter 1:11]

 

I think Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and for ever.

'Became' has been added.

Young's Literal Translation
so also it hath been written, 'The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit,

New International Version
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

New Living Translation
The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.

Berean Standard Bible
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

New American Standard Bible
So also it is written: “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING PERSON.” The last Adam was a life-giving spirit.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Thus also it is written: “Adam the first man was a living soul; the last Adam - The Life Giver Spirit.

Contemporary English Version
The first man was named Adam, and the Scriptures tell us that he was a living person. But Jesus, who may be called the last Adam, is a life-giving spirit.

Good News Translation
For the scripture says, "The first man, Adam, was created a living being"; but the last Adam is the life-giving Spirit.

Literal Standard Version
so also it has been written: “The first man Adam became a living creature,” the last Adam [is] for a life-giving spirit,

Majority Standard Bible
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

New American Bible
So, too, it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living being,” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

Weymouth New Testament
In the same way also it is written, "The first man Adam became a living animal"; the last Adam is a life-giving Spirit.

 

good day/

Scripture backs me up. Just because you can not see it does not make it so.

In your view you have adam dead when he was created, that is just not so.

 

No, what you did is to search for a verse with the word spirit in it and when you found one you used it without attempting to determine if it is proper to apply it to your already steadfast mindset on the subject. This is a dishonest way to approach the scriptures. One must believe the words and allow them to correct bad doctrine. If you fail in that enterprise, you are stymied and can advance no further in your quest for truth.

 

I didn't search for anything. I have known since a child that Elisha had a double portion of the spirit that was on Elijah.

My point was there were more than two people in the OT that had God's Spirit in them, so pretending there were only two is just not true.

 

You are on the right track.
Accept the text.
"DEATH" means to, well, die...
and that's what God said would happen to Adam if he ate said fruit.

Dying "Spiritually" is a problematic concept. All manner of Theological propositions are proposed because of insisting that this idea needs to be fleshed out.


Assuming humans are inherently "Spiritual" beings now inhabiting a body......then, "Spiritual" death is meaningful.
"Spiritual" is (IMO) simply a term to justify non-sensical statements that don't stand up to scrutiny.
One can always say that my Theological statements are "Spiritually" true. Even if everything I'm arguing is nonsense:

Adam was made from the Dust of the ground....not some ephemeral "Spiritual" matter.
God is fundamentally a "Spiritual" being.
Adam is not. Never was, never will be.

Although God himself is Spirit.......he created a material world:

God does not consider the "material" or physical to be somehow "lesser" than the spiritual.
He is Spirit: but he made the crowning achievement of his creation physical and material. It was a physical and material Universe he created, and a physical and material "image-bearer" he put in charge of it:

God wanted his image-bearer to rule his material world rightly.
B.T.W: to be an "image-bearer" is akin to being the "ambassador". Put differently, Adam holds the kings seal or "image"....
He has the authority to rule over his creation in God's name..........because he has the "image" (like a signet ring).

When, God's (who is spirit by nature) "image-bearer" (ambassador) failed to take care of his material world, he sentenced him to death.

God is by nature immortal.

Adam is not.

Adam needed access to the "tree of life" in order to live forever.
Genesis clearly tells us that God (after Adam's sin) did not want him to have access to the tree of life...
Otherwise:............. he might eat and LIVE FOREVER. So, he placed guardian Cherubs there to prevent his return to the garden.

God is telling Adam that when "in the day thou eatest, thou shalt surely die" is simple prolepis:

And that manner of speaking is common throughout the Hebrew Bible.

1Ki 2:37
For it shall be, that on the day thou goest out, and passest over the brook Kidron, thou shalt know for certain that thou shalt surely die: thy blood shall be upon thine own head.
1Ki 2:42
And the king sent and called for Shimei, and said unto him, Did I not make thee to swear by the LORD, and protested unto thee, saying, Know for a certain, on the day thou goest out, and walkest abroad any whither, that thou shalt surely die? and thou saidst unto me, The word that I have heard is good.

When Adam ate of the tree: God (who is immortal and Spiritual by nature) condemned him image-bearer Adam (who is material and physical by nature) to die.....

That is the teaching of the Hebrew Bible. That is Hebrew thought.

Ancillary questions are brought up by Greco-Roman paganism.

Paganism asserts that humans are not material beings, but "Spiritual" beings.
Paganism asserts that immortality is the default state of humans. We live forever, because we are inherently "Spiritual" and not physical beingsl

Christianity can only be understood given the Hebrew world-view:
God (who is spirit) became a man (who is flesh) in Jesus Christ.

Calvinism is based upon pagan assumptions about the nature of God, man, and Christ.

The Bible does not speak of Adam's death as a "SPIRITUAL" death....

It meant God was going to kill him.
Christ was killed in Adam's place.
Amen for that!

 

@JonC :
On another read-through I saw this, and decided to focus on it:

I'm sorry Jon, but I have to disagree.
The language does indeed say this very thing.

I'll post it again so we can all see it:

" And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." ( Genesis 2:15-17 ).

"In the day thou eatest...thou shalt surely die."

My question is, was Adam created immortal ( as I once believed and now do not, since Genesis 3:22 puts that to rest, at least in my mind ) and later began to die the day he disobeyed the Lord...
Or was Adam created with a spiritual relationship with God ( Adam "knew" God, spiritually and walked and talked with Him in the Garden, similar to Enoch walking with God in Genesis 5:22 ) and his sin not only broke that fellowship with God, the Lord did not decide to have mercy on him and restore that union through the new birth as He did for Enoch.

I believe the latter.

 

Again, Romans 1:18-32 and many other places tells me what happened to us, as a race...
Romans 3, Ephesians 4, Psalms 10, Psalms 14 and many others tell me the symptoms of this "death" and what it looks like;
While other places tell me the symptoms ( or evidences ) of the new life bestowed upon those who have believed on His Son.

Jon, he did die.
His death ( spiritual alienation from the Lord ), on the very day that he disobeyed God, was caused by Adam and came about in exactly the way the Lord foretold it.

I'm sorry that you cannot seem to see it, but there's more than enough there for me to see it plainly.

Since Adam was not immortal, and since he did not die that very day ( physically ), then the only other option is that he died spiritually.
My friend, that "death" is indeed described in detail in other parts of God's word...
Only it seems that you're not seeing it for some reason.

That said, I will take my leave of this thread and make it my last post.
We will simply have to agree to disagree.


May God bless you.