LOL, either they were always a chosen people or they were not chosen individually before creation. There is no way for anyone to avoid the obvious truth.
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"Election of God"
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Yet another post addressing me and running from the topic. I wish actual discussion of the issues occurred more frequently.
1 Peter 2:10 (Interpretive translation)
Once not the People, yet now the People of God; not having been shown mercy, yet now shown mercy.
First who are the people being addressed, as another ploy used to nullify scripture is to claim the verse does not apply to whom it applies. Is this verse referring to the nation of Israel, comprised of people chosen to be His people. Nope as they were called out of darkness into His marvelous light. Born anew believers are being addressed.
The commentary ignores that if chosen individually before creation, then those individuals would have always been a chosen people of God and thus always shown mercy.
Once again we see the slide of hand where election is changed to salvation. Not how the passage reads.
Instead of the people being chosen by God, they are those saved or regenerated or formed or anything but chosen people of God.
Repeating absurdity does not make it less absurd. Either they were always a chosen people or they were not chosen individually before creation. There is no way for anyone to avoid the obvious truth. We are not talking about fictional "standing" a totally fabricated strawman.
I actually addressed the topic, but it's clear you cannot see how I did so.
Look at 1 Peter 1 and then go review the link I provided.
*1 Peter 1:1-13*
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls. Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look. Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
To be chosen or not to be chosen, that is the question.
KenH
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Yes, and God chose His elect by his free and sovereign grace before the foundation of the world, not based on anything in the creature.
If God's choosing had been done after the world was created, then the creature might have been puffed up enough to think that salvation was based on him, like the Pharisee in the story about the Pharisee and the publican in Luke chapter 18.