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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JonC, May 14, 2023.

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  1. Earth Wind and Fire

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    I have a private pension to consider so Georgia won’t tax that but South Carolina will. I also have family in Bluffton SC and that’s a short ride from Savannah. Then there is the beer… hopefully some German lagers:Wink
     
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    If it’s Gods will Glen … my son (who is In Orlando now) will get a job with Porshe in Atlanta, then we can open our bibles and have a meeting of the minds. You know there are saved people in allot of churches besides ours. Let’s say a prayer for the family of Pastor Tim Keller who died of cancer yesterday. They could use Gods comfort tonight.
     
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    He and I will start our own church. Well sing EW&F September instead of the Doxology...just like the Early Church did.
     
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    I think you got me mixed up with somebody else. I can't exactly tell what you are disagreeing with me about.
     
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    I can picture it just now... The Church Of Lager!... I better cool my jets the mods might get me... Wait a minute you are a mod!... Nevermind... Brother Glen:Whistling
     
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    I already have, you dont believe them
     
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    Again, you fail to understand the difference between Justification before God, totally accomplished by the Blood of Christ, then later the Justified one is given faith, assurance that they have been Justified. They're receiving the assurance of Faith didnt cause the Justification before God, that occurred at the Cross, but they receive a knowledge of what happened at the cross, when they are given Faith.

    You believe if im not mistaken, that one isnt Justified before God by the death of Christ, not until the exercise Faith or believe, regardless to the fact that Christ put away their sins before God in the past. Thats works
     
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    Well did Christ die for peoples sins before they were born ?
     
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    But I like the doxology…. praise God from whom all blessings flow yada yada
     
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    Good idea… :Thumbsup
     
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    I do understand. I don't agree with you. I do not believe that salvation is coming to the realization that they have been justified . Belief is a condition of justification. It is not meritorious, but it is essential or else you will not be justified. Faith is not a work. It is set apart as opposed to works in scripture.
     
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    You know, Martin Luther said the same thing.
     
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    Yes. Christ died for the sins of man on the Cross. But Christ dying for our sins is not Justification.
     
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    Ok....I do too. Well sing September as we are walking in and Boogie Wonderland as we are leaving.
     
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    Remember at communion they have wine not lager... Brother Glen:)
     
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    I like wine.. a good red suites me fine :Biggrin
     
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    Then you can call me Maurice.. I like the way you move
     
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    Tell us then, what is Justification and is it eternal, temporal or does it have varied elements?
     
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    Okay thats fine

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    Sorry but it is meritorious when you make it a condition for Justification before God, doesnt matter if you dont agree. Also you give ones act of believing more preeminence in the matter of Justification before God than the Blood of Christ, good luck with that in the day of Judgment.
     
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    Okay then, thats what Justified them before God, His death for them. Simple. Rom 5:9

    9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    Thats the object of Faith, Ones Justification by the Blood of Christ.

    Isa 53:11
    11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

    By you saying Christs death isnt Justification before God, to me is unbelief to what Christs death actually accomplished, just being honest with you friend
     
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