Puritanism

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I love Savannah GA. Savannah and Charleston are my favorite cities (both beautiful).

Savannah has great activities, the river district, a bunch of parks, Tybee Island, Savannah River Brewery, and a short drive to visit me.

It's also close to Beaufort SC (I mentioned that city earlier) and Hilton Head.

Charleston has the same, just a different environment. Same drive to visit me.

I have a private pension to consider so Georgia won’t tax that but South Carolina will. I also have family in Bluffton SC and that’s a short ride from Savannah. Then there is the beer… hopefully some German lagers

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yeah EWF when you find a church, join and are baptized since you had an invite, just drive down and convert that old rascal... Brother Glen

You know I love you Jon!

If it’s Gods will Glen … my son (who is In Orlando now) will get a job with Porshe in Atlanta, then we can open our bibles and have a meeting of the minds. You know there are saved people in allot of churches besides ours. Let’s say a prayer for the family of Pastor Tim Keller who died of cancer yesterday. They could use Gods comfort tonight.

 

[JonC]

Yeah EWF when you find a church, join and are baptized since you had an invite, just drive down and convert that old rascal... Brother Glen

You know I love you Jon!

He and I will start our own church. Well sing EW&F September instead of the Doxology...just like the Early Church did.

 

[JonC]

You are blowing hot air again … plus you flip flop. What your describing is easy believeism. You are saved thru the HS…that called regeneration, then you are converted.Jesus spoke of this to Nicodemus when He said, "Ye must be born again" (John 3:7).

I think you got me mixed up with somebody else. I can't exactly tell what you are disagreeing with me about.

 

[tyndale1946]

He and I will start our own church. Well sing EW&F September instead of the Doxology...just like the Early Church did.

I can picture it just now... The Church Of Lager!... I better cool my jets the mods might get me... Wait a minute you are a mod!... Nevermind... Brother Glen

 

[Brightfame52]

Well. Please cite the one or two passages from the word of God in this regard.

I already have, you dont believe them

 

[Brightfame52]

I think you are talking about a different issue there. That's more an issue of assurance. I can see how you can arrive at the conclusion you do. Something that God himself has determined to accomplish WILL be accomplished. 100%. So can you count it as already accomplished? In a sense you can. But something doesn't happen until it happens, even if God says it will happen. So I still think you have to believe before you are justified - while at the same time I think you really will, if God determined that you will. The timing of the events is real, yet no less certain than your take on it. I hope that helps.

Again, you fail to understand the difference between Justification before God, totally accomplished by the Blood of Christ, then later the Justified one is given faith, assurance that they have been Justified. They're receiving the assurance of Faith didnt cause the Justification before God, that occurred at the Cross, but they receive a knowledge of what happened at the cross, when they are given Faith.

You believe if im not mistaken, that one isnt Justified before God by the death of Christ, not until the exercise Faith or believe, regardless to the fact that Christ put away their sins before God in the past. Thats works

 

[Brightfame52]

Yep....really. I have never read a passage that leads me to believe we were justified before we were born.

Well did Christ die for peoples sins before they were born ?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

He and I will start our own church. Well sing EW&F September instead of the Doxology...just like the Early Church did.

But I like the doxology…. praise God from whom all blessings flow yada yada

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I can picture it just now... The Church Of Lager!... I better cool my jets the mods might get me... Wait a minute you are a mod!... Nevermind... Brother Glen

Good idea…

 

[DaveXR650]

Again, you fail to understand the difference between Justification before God, totally accomplished by the Blood of Christ, then later the Justified one is given faith, assurance that they have been Justified. They're receiving the assurance of Faith didnt cause the Justification before God, that occurred at the Cross, but they receive a knowledge of what happened at the cross, when they are given Faith.

You believe if im not mistaken, that one isnt Justified before God by the death of Christ, not until the exercise Faith or believe, regardless to the fact that Christ put away their sins before God in the past. Thats works

I do understand. I don't agree with you. I do not believe that salvation is coming to the realization that they have been justified . Belief is a condition of justification. It is not meritorious, but it is essential or else you will not be justified. Faith is not a work. It is set apart as opposed to works in scripture.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Again, you fail to understand the difference between Justification before God, totally accomplished by the Blood of Christ, then later the Justified one is given faith, assurance that they have been Justified. They're receiving the assurance of Faith didnt cause the Justification before God, that occurred at the Cross, but they receive a knowledge of what happened at the cross, when they are given Faith.

You believe if im not mistaken, that one isnt Justified before God by the death of Christ, not until the exercise Faith or believe, regardless to the fact that Christ put away their sins before God in the past. Thats works

You know, Martin Luther said the same thing.

 

[JonC]

Well did Christ die for peoples sins before they were born ?

Yes. Christ died for the sins of man on the Cross. But Christ dying for our sins is not Justification.

 

[JonC]

But I like the doxology…. praise God from whom all blessings flow yada yada

Ok....I do too. Well sing September as we are walking in and Boogie Wonderland as we are leaving.

 

[tyndale1946]

Good idea…

Remember at communion they have wine not lager... Brother Glen

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Remember at communion they have wine not lager... Brother Glen

I like wine.. a good red suites me fine

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Ok....I do too. Well sing September as we are walking in and Boogie Wonderland as we are leaving.

Then you can call me Maurice.. I like the way you move

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes. Christ died for the sins of man on the Cross. But Christ dying for our sins is not Justification.

Tell us then, what is Justification and is it eternal, temporal or does it have varied elements?

 

[Brightfame52]

davexr650

I do understand. I don't agree with you.

Okay thats fine

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Belief is a condition of justification. It is not meritorious

Sorry but it is meritorious when you make it a condition for Justification before God, doesnt matter if you dont agree. Also you give ones act of believing more preeminence in the matter of Justification before God than the Blood of Christ, good luck with that in the day of Judgment.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes. Christ died for the sins of man on the Cross. But Christ dying for our sins is not Justification.

Okay then, thats what Justified them before God, His death for them. Simple. Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Thats the object of Faith, Ones Justification by the Blood of Christ.

Isa 53:11
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

By you saying Christs death isnt Justification before God, to me is unbelief to what Christs death actually accomplished, just being honest with you friend