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Pence, something to think about

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  1. Wingman68

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    If Rumors Are True About Mike Pence and 2020, He Should Be in Jail Instead of Running for President
    Old wounds were opened today as a rumor that I had heard in 2021 was reintroduced regarding Mike Pence and the stolen 2020 election.
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    Former Vice President Mike Pence is officially running for the Republican nomination. This has been anticipated for months. If rumors about Pence are true, then some people have been anticipating it since before Kamala Harris was installed into his former office.

    Diehard Trump-supporter Rogan O'Handley dropped some bombshell allegations. These echo what I've been saying since 2021. In fact, my podcast was banned on Spotify for making these exact claims, so I'm inclined to believe them. Here's what O'Handley posted [edited for format only]:

    Now that Mike Pence has entered the race, let me tell y’all some inside info:

    In the days leading up to J6, I was informed by trusted sources that Pence wasn’t going to contest the rigged electoral college results. I couldn’t believe it. How could he backstab 74 million people & allow fraud to overthrow our executive branch?

    But then I was told why…

    He cut a deal with the Koch fundraising network to be their lead horse in 2024 if he backstabbed Trump and the MAGA movement in 2020.

    To those that say he didn’t have the power to contest fraudulent ballots and allow state legislatures to conduct further review, then why did they change the Electoral College Act in 2022 to explicitly state the VP could no longer facilitate that exact process?

    Because Pence could and he knew it, but he took the blood money anyway. We are not in this situation because of President Trump. We are here b/c powerful forces worked to “fortify” the 2020 election and coward RINOs like Mike Pence partnered with them. Let’s show Judas what we think of his backstabbing in the ballot box.

    https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1665758167127449600

    Again, I heard the same rumors around the same time. Whether we were talking to the same people is unclear, but even without corroboration it makes total sense why this would be true. Pence had all the constitutional cards to let contested states sort it out for themselves. He had the incentive to do so, but apparently he had greater incentive to block the process and allow massive, widespread voter fraud to win out.

    The 2020 election could not have been stolen without Mike Pence's assistance. This is why it's a safe bet that he was part of the plan from the beginning. In fact, one can argue they wouldn't have gone through with it if he wasn't playing ball.

    All of this is criminal at the highest levels. If it can be proven, the Mike Pence should be prosecuted as a traitor to his nation.
     
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    Every state had already “sorted it out” and every state certified their election results and sent electors to congress. It was and is over.

    Pence acted constitutionally even if some don’t like the results.

    Pence would be a great POTUS and I will vote for him when I get the chance.

    peace to you
     
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    RAHEEM J. KASSAM

    FEATURE
    Mike Pence Files His Paperwork But No One Cares.
    Former Vice President Mike Pence announced a run for President of The United States today. No one can seem to explain why, besides being an establishment foil to hurl smears at Donald Trump from the pulpit of an Oval Office candidate.

    Pence — who led the COVID taskforce and even appointed Ambassador Deborah Birx as well as Antony Fauci to it — is formally launching his campaign in Iowa this week.

    His policy achievements as Vice President include:

    • The COVID-19 taskforce;
    • Failing to actually verify the votes on Jan 6.
    Pence is also famed for having had a fly land on his forehead during a debate.

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    Fundraising payday……..new mega mansion to pay for………there is only one candidate who knows how to create success outside of government grift.
     
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    Conspiracy theory.
     
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    HERE IS WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT PENCE SINCE HIS VP WITH TRUMP;

    Jan 6, 2021 Pence as president of the senate validates swing state electors' certifications. Jan 6, 2021 Pence receives coin. Link;

    Jan 21, 2021 Pence attends Biden Inauguration. Link; https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...bde02f-d23e-4c85-ad46-6bb58a4f3389_video.html

    April 6, 2021 PENCE GETS MASSIVE BOOK DEAL $3-4 million!! The Political Memoir Payouts Continue: How Mike Pence’s Multimillion-Dollar Book Deal About Trump Years Stacks Up

    April 7, 2021 Post Vice Presidency, he initially resides in Northern VA and establishes a political think tank with previous chief of staff. . Link #1; Former VP Mike Pence opens transition office in Northern Virginia Link #2; Pence, eyeing 2024 presidential bid, launches group to defend Trump-era policies from "liberal attacks and media distortions" - CBS News

    April 15, 2021 Pence undergoes heart/pace-maker surgery . Link; Mike Pence undergoes surgery to have pacemaker implanted

    May 24, 2021 PENCE PURCHASES NEW HOME. Mike and Karen Pence Purchase New Home Near Indianapolis: 'Good to Be Back'

    TWO YEARS LATER WE SEE THE ANTI-AMERICAN RESULTS OF PENCE'S JAN 6TH DECISION AND HIS FAILURE AS A LEADER.


    August 2022; Pence endorsed republican candidate in AZ primaries that were Anti-Trump. A virtual no name. Kari Lake crushed that candidate.

    Nov 16, 2022 Just a few short hours after Trump's announcement on Nov 15, 2022 that he will run for president in 2024, PENCE is on Fox & Friends promoting his 2021 Book, which is now on clearance sale for $5.00!

    Jan 2023 - PENCE in an interview states he may run for president in 2024 Mike Pence discusses possible 2024 presidential bid

    Jan 16, 2023 - PENCE also has classified documents. First on CNN: Classified documents found at Pence's Indiana home | CNN Politics

    Jan 24, 2023 - TRUMP defends PENCE having classified documents. 'Leave him alone': Trump defends Mike Pence as 'an innocent man' after discovery of classified records at former vice president's home

    March 2023 - PENCE meets with GOP State Officials & Donors. https://news.wttw.com/2023/03/22/mike-pence-ron-desantis-gop-presidential-hopefuls-hold-campaigns

    April 2023 - TRUMP mocks PENCE in speech about PENCE getting booed again during NRA convention. Trump mocks DeSantis, Pence during stump speech at NRA convention

    June 2023 - PENCE at IOWA GOP Rally. 'Roast and Ride': DeSantis signs Bible, Pence hops on motorcycle

    June 2023 - PENCE classified documents investigation is dropped by DOJ, won't be charged. Justice Department won't bring charges over classified documents found at Pence's home

    June 2023 - PENCE files papers for presidential bid.

    THE GOLD COIN HAND-OFF, THE HANDSHAKE & PENCE/PELOSI ELBOW BUMP. WAS PENCE PROMISED THE GOP SUPPORT AS 2024 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IF HE, ON JAN 6 2020, RULED AGAINST SENDING THE QUESTIONABLE SWING STATE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES BACK TO THOSE STATES AS INVALID OR FRAUDULENT? NOW, TWO YEARS LATER PENCE ANNOUNCES HIS PRESIDENTIAL RUN IN 2024.
     
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    Mike Pence is a godly man full of integrity and honor. He will make a great POTUS.

    Most of what has been posted is simply slander and sour grapes at the DT loss in 2020. Although I didn’t know he has a pacemaker.

    If you want to blame someone for 2020 DT loss, blame the repub legislatures that certified the election results. Once they certified and sent electors, Pence could only chose between upholding the constitution or destroying the constitution to give DT one more chance to lose in court.

    Pence upheld the constitution and you should thank God he did because if he had done what you want, the Dems would never allow a repub to be accepted in the electoral count in congress.

    peace to you
     
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    I have been impressed by Pence, especially after leaving the White House. He has always spoken with of his faith, but after leaving the WH he spoke of how much of a bubble he (and all of DC) are in that they do not identify with the nation but are instead consumed with politics.
     
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    Your opinion. It’s said that he can’t go out without security in Indiana. They are not as impressed by him as you. I don’t really care what you believe to be true, but videos of the man himself are not slander. He stands zero chance of being potus so don’t waste too much of your energy on that fairy tale.

    My opinion, the only reason (beside the obvious money) is that he is there to play the gotcha role in the debates. Bang for the buck, heh?! Trump is wise to it, & demanding that candidates have a reasonable % of support to be on the dais.
     
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    First, everyone is giving opinions. Some are grounded in reality and truth. Others are grounded in slander and conspiracy theories.

    Second, all former VP’s have secret service protection 24/7, so what you “hear” is just more hyperbole.

    Thirdly, Pence has not directly attacked DT, even though the former POTUS called him a coward and a traitor on Jan 6 because Pence followed the constitution and certified the electors sent to congress.

    Lastly, DT has a large lead over the field. If he can keep his “no class”, “self/centered”, “narcissistic” mouth shut, he might win the primary. If so, it will be without my vote.

    If, however, he keeps making stupid comments about the other candidates, which are clearly untrue and remind every persuadable voter why they couldn’t vote for him last time, he may lose the nomination but certainly the election if nominated.

    peace to you
     
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      Former Vice President Mike Pence, who has hinted he's gearing up for a 2024 run at the presidency, is likely to make his devout Christian faith a key component of his campaign. In comments he made at the annual Spring dinner of the Gridiron Club, it seems like he wants to set his Christian bonafides apart from Donald Trump early on, The Washington Post reported on Thursday.


      Pence's comments about Trump's role in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot received a lot of press. But he also took a swipe at Trump's claims to be a Christian.

      “I once invited President Trump to Bible study,” Pence said in his speech. “He really liked the passages about the smiting and perishing of thine enemies. As he put it, ‘Ya know, Mike, there’s some really good stuff in here.’”

      Pence also referenced the recent classified documents scandal that's enveloping Trump, saying it's proof that he never reads his Bible.

      “I read that some of those classified documents they found at Mar-a-Lago were actually stuck in the president’s Bible … which proves he had absolutely no idea they were there," Pence said.

      According to The Post, while there's no video of Pence's speech, some wondered if he made his remarks to a room full of journalists knowing that they would eventually become public.

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      Is this the Christian behavior that we should emulate? A real hero. After this event it was found that Pence had classified documents in his home. The VP has no right to hold these & he cannot declassify like the Prez. Trump defended Pence at the time, as per the timeline I posted. I am not impressed with high horses, I prefer no mind games & honest responses. No one can or should judge someone’s faith or heart. Judge not………………..
     
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    edit for context….
    The remarks are from the “Gridiron spring dinner”, which is supposed to be a roast style comedy event. It was all said as a joke.

    peace to you
     
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    You sound vaxxed. Take that as a joke, eh?!
     
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    So, just to be clear… you are outraged that Mike Pence told a joke at the gridiron dinner suggesting DT doesn’t read his Bible….

    But…..

    DT calls Pence a coward and a traitor on Jan 6 for refusing to delay the certification of the 2020 election and later DT supporters show up at congress shouting their intention to hang Pence for treason and you don’t appear to be concerned at all about how DT spoke of a fellow Christian, Mike Pence?

    Your selective outrage is hypocritical.

    peace to you
     
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    Yes, we all know how the roasts go. That was the only time I thought Hilary Clinton was funny (Trump and Clinton roasting each other...they took it for what it was). Trump is often funny....not in a bad way, but intentionally funny.
     
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    But he was not being funny about Pence ref 6 Jan
     
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    Not, he wasn't. Trump had no political experience to draw upon. That is one thing I liked about him, but it also was a problem at times as he did not grasp what could or could not be done. He spoke, not for the first time, about what he didn't know and there were no advisors there at the time to pull him back.

    Unfortunately too many believed all Pence had to do was not certify the election. When both sides decide to burn the US Constitution we know our nation is in a bad state.
     
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    Agree almost totally. There were advisors telling him to pull back and he ignored them. He brought in people to tell him what he wanted to hear and ignored all other views.

    peace to you
     
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    I just saw some of Mike Spence’s speech announcing his candidacy.

    He addressed the issues with DT directly, saying he was proud to have served as VP and accomplish all the conservative agenda they pushed.

    He also addressed 1/6 directly. He said in a matter of fact way, no hyperbole, just told it straight. DT wanted to put himself above the constitution. Pence chose the constitution.

    A couple of things.

    1. Pence seemed very confident and “presidential”. He looks the part.

    2. Pence is a boring speaker. He is near monotone throughout. I didn’t hear him raise his voice even once to emphasize a point, (I didn’t watch it all). It will hurt him.

    Although I like him and will probably vote for him in the primary, I can’t honestly say that I’m excited about his candidacy. At least not yet.

    peace to you
     
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    Pence released a statement in the indictments of DT saying he was asked to choose between the constitution and DT. He chose the constitution.

    Pence is an honorable man and I will vote for him in the primaries.

    I also saw a poll with DT at 54%, however, about 1/2 in the poll said they could vote for someone else.

    DT’s strength in the repub field may be softer than the polls indicate.

    peace to you
     
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