Elliott's work is available on Google books
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Elliott's work is available on Google books
I think it was Jonathan Edwards who said that the bible gives a complete history from genesis to Revelation.
There is an abridged version entitled "The last prophecy " available as a free download on Lutheran Library.
Not true,
The early church believed that the temple in Revelation and 2 Thessalonians 2 is the church, because Paul said "You are the Temple of the Living God " they taught that the let and Hindrance was the Empire and the Emperor, and that when they were taken out of the way the empire would be divided into 10. All this happened. They believed that out of the 10 kingdoms, the Antichrist would come, sitting in the temple of God claiming to be God. This came to pass also.
Tertullian said "We pray for the continuance of the empire because WE KNOW what evils will come on the earth when it is removed. Paul said "YOU KNOW these things because when I was with you I told you." Tertullian said that after the Antichrist would be the end of all things. What they didn't understand was the large time period of Antichrist and that he would be the continuation of the empire under a different form.
The little horn would put down three of the ten kings. The papacy did that and it formed the papal states that lasted till 1870. The Pope has the title of Caesar, Pont Max, but has greater claims than Caesar who claimed to be god and rule over the earth and wore a crown. The Pope claims to rule over heaven and earth and hell, and wears a triple crown to support those claims. Until 1870, after Constantine no one ruled from Rome except the Popes.
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This is not Revelation but it is connected to some of the earlier posts.
(On The Significance of AD70 ) Phillip Mauro
“It is greatly to be regretted that those who, in our day, give themselves to the study and exposition of prophecy, seem not to be aware of the immense significance of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, which was accompanied by the extinction of Jewish national existence, and the dispersion of the Jewish people among all the nations. The failure to recognize the significance of that event, and the vast amount of prophecy which it fulfilled, has been the cause of great confusion, for the necessary consequence of missing the past fulfillment of predicted events is to leave on our hands a mass of prophecies for which we must needs contrive fulfillments in the future. The harmful results are two fold; for first, we are thus deprived of the evidential value, and the support to the faith, of those remarkable fulfillments of prophecy which are so clearly presented to us in authentic contemporary histories; and second,
(On The Significance of AD70 ) Phillip Mauro
“It is greatly to be regretted that those who, in our day, give themselves to the study and exposition of prophecy, seem not to be aware of the immense significance of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, which was accompanied by the extinction of Jewish national existence, and the dispersion of the Jewish people among all the nations. The failure to recognize the significance of that event, and the vast amount of prophecy which it fulfilled, has been the cause of great confusion, for the necessary consequence of missing the past fulfillment of predicted events is to leave on our hands a mass of prophecies for which we must needs contrive fulfillments in the future. The harmful results are two fold; for first, we are thus deprived of the evidential value, and the support to the faith, of those remarkable fulfillments of prophecy which are so clearly presented to us in authentic contemporary histories; and second,
and they sing a new song, saying, 'Worthy art thou to take the scroll, and to open the seals of it, because thou wast slain, and didst redeem us to God in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, and didst make us to our God kings and priests, and we shall reign upon the earth.' Rev 5:9,10
Because of what Jesus Christ did in the past, that underlined is our present status, in Christ who is seated in heaven having been raised from the dead and ascended to the right hand of the Father, yet that in bold will be our future reality in the kingdom of Christ at the beginning of the day of Christ, on the earth. The day of the Lord.
And this one thing let not be unobserved by you, beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day; 2 Peter 3:8
Why would the Holy Spirit inspire the above unless it applied to a day of the word of God? Maybe a day as the day of Christ, or the day of the Lord and or the Lord's day?
Maybe not, who knows, the Lord knows.
For saying that you are a believer who has been away from the faith for a long time, this seems like a pretty well-informed person.
Might be a little disingenuous to ask these questions? Maybe you are posing as an uneducated believer, when you are, in fact, a mature believer?
I also notice that you ask initial questions, but then don't do much in the way of interacting with the answers. Hmmmmm.
Find it odd that I have to be on trial as it were. I remembered from the past about Spurgeon being well regarded as a preacher and that it seemed to me that people with different opinions all claimed him as being in line with them or something, so a wide variety seemed to think he was good. I am not exactly sure what got me interested in Revelation recently, but the church I started attending is going through Revelation on their weekday meetings, though I have not been going to those.
I ask questions because I think it is okay, though I also am not sure about if this is the best place to get answers, but I do not know where else to get answers, though I suppose I should pray about it more as that is the best place to get answers and I need to learn how to trust God in that.
Some things I may want confirmation on what I already believe.
As far as not doing much interacting with the answers there are probably multiple reasons. One is that I do not know what is the right answer and do not want to thank someone for a wrong answer or somehow support a wrong belief. Also I do not do much interaction besides asking questions because I do not want to point out motes when I have beams in my eye.
I ask questions because I think it is okay, though I also am not sure about if this is the best place to get answers, but I do not know where else to get answers, though I suppose I should pray about it more as that is the best place to get answers and I need to learn how to trust God in that.
Some things I may want confirmation on what I already believe.
As far as not doing much interacting with the answers there are probably multiple reasons. One is that I do not know what is the right answer and do not want to thank someone for a wrong answer or somehow support a wrong belief. Also I do not do much interaction besides asking questions because I do not want to point out motes when I have beams in my eye.
Read your Bible. Ask God for wisdom. God promises wisdom to those who ask. And don't give up learning.
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You seem to read a different bible from most of us. Are you a JW?
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I have Questions?
The name of this thread is, "Revelation".
1 Cor 15:26 the last enemy is done away -- death.
Is that verse a historical event? A future event? Is the answer found in Revelation? Where?
What just preceded that event? Work backwards an event or two or three. How far backward would one go for a historical event? What takes place after death is done away?
What does one think would have been Spurgeon's answers, for those who have read or listened to Spurgeon?
The name of this thread is, "Revelation".
1 Cor 15:26 the last enemy is done away -- death.
Is that verse a historical event? A future event? Is the answer found in Revelation? Where?
What just preceded that event? Work backwards an event or two or three. How far backward would one go for a historical event? What takes place after death is done away?
What does one think would have been Spurgeon's answers, for those who have read or listened to Spurgeon?
Newp ! JW is a cult. I use the NKJV, NASV, & ESV. Now, please tell us when Jesus returned in the Manner He Himself said. Tell us who the beast & the false prophet were.
Preterism is phony as a Ponzi scheme.
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He is always like that on whatever board he is on. He doesn't use scripture to prove his point, just insults. Common is a word I think my mum would have used.
You haven't done anything wrong.
It is okay, so keep asking. It's what makes a site like this tick.
Again, you haven't done anything wrong. Interact as much or as little as you want.
It's good to have you on board.
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The thing to remember is that, regardless of what happens in human history, until the last one of God's elect, Christ's sheep, is regenerated, that this present heavens and earth will continue. After that last sheep is regenerated, at some point after that, then Christ will return and usher in the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness.
From above: After that last sheep is regenerated
Acts 15:6-9 And there were gathered together the apostles and the elders, to see about this matter, and there having been much disputing, Peter having risen up said unto them, 'Men, brethren, ye know that from former days, God among us did make choice, through my mouth, for the nations to hear the word of the good news, and to believe; and the heart-knowing God did bare them testimony, having given to them the Holy Spirit, even as also to us, <[?Us Jews?] and did put no difference also between us and them, by the faith having purified their hearts;
V 14 Simeon did declare how at first God did look after to take out of the nations a people for His name,
Is the above a description of the sheep being regenerated? By the Holy Spirit?
Was it written in the Old Testament that would take place? Acts 15:15. Are they regenerated as a people for his name and or for his name's sake? Are those of Acts 15:8 them/us and 14 those spoken of in Romans 8:23 as having the first-fruit of the Spirit? Rom 8:23 And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;
From above: After that last sheep is regenerated, at some point after that, then Christ will return
From Acts 15:16 After these things [After that last sheep is regenerated]
16 I will turn back, <[I will return in 15 other translations on BLB] and I will build again the tabernacle of David, that is fallen down, and its ruins I will build again, and will set it upright -- 17 that the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all the nations, upon whom My name hath been called, saith the Lord, who is doing all these things.
Would you elaborate on verses 16 and 17 Acts 15? Who are these residue of men?
It certainly was. Dispensationalism didn't come into the Baptists till after the Scofield bible in the early 20th century.
What dispensationalis ignore are ignorant of is that the group that introduced it, The Catholic Apostolic church, said the rapture would be in 14th July 1833. *
Edward Irving first preached on dispensationalism on Christmas day 1825 as he recorded in his Morning Watch Magazine, available on Google books. After he preached that, the doctrine was confirmed by a number of his 'prophets' who all returned out to be false prophets, including Robert Baxter who left the movement accusing himself af delusion.
If you think I am wrong, you show me the evidence and i will retract that.
*Irvingism in its Rise, Progress and Present State. Robert Baxter 1836. Page 44 ,Letter to Mr Armstrong
Robert Baxter wrote that as he was leaving on a business trip, some of the prophets in London had prophesied that when he returned he would have full Apostolic powers . But he wrote "I did return but with a more gracious gift, viz, with the eyes of my understanding opened, to see that what I and they seemed to be the spirit of prophecy was in fact the spirit of delusion."...."I returned to say I had been deluded" page 24.
Can either you or Kyredneck answer my question?
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