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The Gospel, since time began and before, was and is the Eternal Plan of Salvation for the Elect of God that Jesus agreement to Accomplish and the Holy Spirit agreed to Execute. The three Persons in the Triune Godhead have had Infinite delight and joy among and between One Another that this Plan would absolutely succeed Forever, forever.

The Gospel is that Jesus would die as a Perfect Sacrifice for the sins of His people, that He would be buried and bury those sins away that He died for, and on the third day Rose Again from the dead, having the power of Life over death.

Some broad allusions to the effect of Jesus' Eternally Efficacious Work of Salvation are made which includes Jesus'Work, such as the Gospel of the Kingdom or the Gospel of John that are used but a reference to the historical significance of the Source of the Power behind Jesus' Kingdom or a book about The Work of Jesus are not "the power of God unto salvation" God refers to.

The Gospel that God uses as the means by which to Glorify His Son and saves souls, when Executed by the Holy Spirit, by the foolishness of preaching is defined in the words, "the Gospel", specifically by Paul;

I Corinthians 15: "1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,

how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried,

and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

The Gospel used by God to save souls is Biblically defined as the death, burial, and resurrection of The Savior, Jesus Christ.

That Gospel has been the same Gospel message 'declared' by God's witnesses, to save souls since it was preached to Adam and Eve.


"2 Corinthians 5:14: “For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this that one died for all. Therefore all died.” This verse obviously talks about a substitutionary death—Christ died for us.

"2 Corinthians 5:21: “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” Jesus Christ came to pay the penalty for your sin. Until you come to grips with the fact that you are a sinner, separated from God and under His condemnation, you cannot be saved. The penalty for your sin is not church membership, baptism or anything else. It is death.

"Galatians 1:4: The Lord Jesus Christ is the One “who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father.” He gave Himself for our sins; He paid the penalty and provided atonement.

"Galatians 3:13: “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law.” How did He do it? By “having become a curse for us, because it is written, cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.” He came under the condemnation of sin. He became a curse and took the judgment that was due us by paying our penalty.

"Romans 5:6-8: “For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” This is the amazing message of the gospel in a nutshell—Christ died for us.

"The next phrase in 1 Corinthians 15:3 says that Christ died for our sins “according to the Scriptures.” Paul was not referring to any particular Scripture, but to all the Old Testament Scriptures that emphasize God providing a Savior who would die and pay the penalty for sin.

"Earlier in this letter, Paul alluded to one such Old Testament passage when he said, “For Christ our Passover has been sacrificed” (1 Cor. 5:7). The death of Christ was our Passover lamb being sacrificed."

ref: Christ Died for Our Sins According to the Scriptures | Indian Hills Community Church

The Atonement of Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection that was typified by all of the Old Testament sacrifices, signify the uniqueness of True Christianity from all other religions, and is the same constant message throughout history, as a Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.

 

Unfortunately, your idea of 'Church History' is not Jesus' idea He showed with His Revelation of the seven churches of Asia. Any Biblical History would not be of 'Church History', but of The History of Churches.

You have not received a revelation from your study of Landmarkism or here or anywhere, like the Bible, that a church Jesus always referred to was an organized congregation of Scripturally baptized believers, with the Authority and Presence of God to bring Him Glory and conduct His business on earth as His witnesses.

Jesus began His Revelation of His churches He Divinely Originated, by using a Greek word Ecclesia, Greek Ekklēsia, (“gathering of those summoned”), in ancient Greece, assembly of citizens in a city-state. Its roots lay in the Homeric agora, the meeting of the people. The Athenian Ecclesia, for which exists the most detailed record, was already functioning in Draco’s day (c. 621 BC).

The word Jesus used was the word Jesus meant and intended, by His use of it 22 times. The other New Testament writers used the same word and taught the same usage of it, by further defining her as a building using an Architectural metaphor, house, as well as "the church of God that is in the house) assembly, gathering, together, body (with a detailed anatomical metaphor explaining how a human body is one intact body, with many body members and one head) and as a temple, etc.

The use of the word church, exclusively as a called-out and summoned together assembly, nor the Ability of the Holy Spirit to ensure a continual presence of these candlestick lighthouse witnesses of Jesus', has not atrophied or ceased to exist, leaving Jesus a dead Bride(?) starting with Jesus immersing His church at Jerusalem with the Presence, Guidance, and Teaching Ministry of the Shekinah Glory on the Day of Pentecost.

The Almighty Power of the Holy Spirit has Provided Him s Dwelling Place to bring God Glory, throughout all ages, world without end.

"In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Ephesians 2:22.

Once, God is pleased to reveal a Biblical understanding of what His Word uses church to mean, and stand for a local assembly of His, only, then the following scriptures are all The History of Jesus' Churches one would ever need,

besides,

Revelation 12:6

“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days",

which would settle any confirmation needed from secular history as you make a qualified allowance for in your next comment;

There has just never been any Universal Visible Church that has anything to do with God or the Bible or the Bible word church or any Universal Invisible Church that came from the first usurptation of the word church, by the evil wicked one.

Anything the Catholics got from the Baptist-like New Testament churches that they counterfeited doesn't give them any Authority from God and no, your continual insisting Baptists got anything from Catholics other than new words like 'mid-evil torture chamber' and 'Inquisition', etc., are wild rash guesses that fall flat.

What "historical theological development" is required beyond the written Word available at any given time?

The Doctrines of Grace are Eternal and were taught throughout the Old Testament beginning in Genesis and Job and all the Apostles were well versed in what the Lord's churches were and how they were to operate, as is the Holy Spirit who speaks through their Records in The New Testament and Established and Added to Jesus' Churches, throughout all of New Testament history.

Although, you may not believe it, these 5 distinctive marks characterize the Lord's kind of local churches, from The New Testament until now;

They all characterize positions which the Catholics and Protestants vastly departed from, and in turn crucified and slaughtered every like faith and order believer in Jesus, His Word, and His churches they could get away with.

The problem is departing from The Lord and His teachings.

The Lord, through His Preserved teaching in the New Testament.

Because, that is the New Testament teaching and all who were saved in The New Testament were baptized or re-baptized by the Authority of God given to His churches.

According to pagans, maybe. They don't believe in Penal Substitution.

Please, consider yourself informed that your dating of who believed what when, in such general broad brush statements without substantiation, must be acknowledged, at best, gratuitous assertions.

You're jolly well right I am.

Well

Oh, I already said it.

They would no longer be in contention via believers baptism, useless we are screwed up on our position on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

I see something about;

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

in I Corinthians 13:8, but I don't see what you're saying about;

(?)

 

Bible: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. (= L)

We see L in there by seeing it read as, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people (specifically) from their sins (specifically).

I believe that is plainly what God's intentions are on what it says, then along with the other four, and comparing scripture with scripture (those that restrict and 'limit' "all", by "many", in other places for example, then it fits like a hand in a glove.

("All" doesn't 'restrict' orr expand "many".)

 

Right.

Oh. That tell's me what he is saying.

Of course, among the many other things is the prophecy of when Jesus came the first time and said that after He died and before He Anointed the Most Holy on Pentecost, ( according to me), it is said, in Daniel 9; to bring an end "and to seal up the vision and prophecy"

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

If I put "the kingdom of God has come" inserted where "Gospel" is in this quick search of verses, it digs into the Bible deeper and comes up dryer that a first year Greek student.

Galatians 1 helps define the definition of "Gospel" in the very context of another Gospel, as being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I'd go with repenting and believing Jesus died for 'our' sins, buried those sins away, and Raised from the dead with the Everlasting Power to save from sin, as something to try inserting in those verses in place of the word "Gospel", because that is how God says He saves lost souls.

1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him...


... What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make full use of my rights as a preacher ...
1 Corinthians 9:18 - The Rights of an Apostle

... Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ. Then, whether I come and see you or only hear about you in my absence, I will ...
Philippians 1:27 - Worthy of the Gospel

... In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. In the same way, the Lord ordered that those who ...
1 Corinthians 9:14 - The Rights of an Apostle

... For when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, since I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! Yet preaching the Good News ...
1 Corinthians 9:16 - The Rights of an Apostle

... On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised. Instead, they saw ...
Galatians 2:7 - The Council at Jerusalem

... which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. but is not the Good News at all ...
Galatians 1:7 - No Other Gospel

... I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. Dear brothers and sisters, I want you to understand that the gospel ...
Galatians 1:11 - Paul Preaches the Gospel

... When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet ...
Galatians 2:14 - Paul Confronts Cephas

... And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from ...
2 Corinthians 4:3 - The Light of the Gospel

... We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. But we refused to give in to them for a single ...
Galatians 2:5 - The Council at Jerusalem

... Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her." I tell you the truth ...
Matthew 26:13 - Jesus Anointed at Bethany

... a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and ...
Galatians 2:2 - The Council at Jerusalem

... This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. And this is ...
Ephesians 3:6 - The Mystery of the Gospel

... Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her." I tell you the truth ...
Mark 14:9 - Jesus Anointed at Bethany

... Moreover, as you Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, not one church shared with me in the matter ...
Philippians 4:15 - The Generosity of the Philippians

... For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. ...
Romans 1:16 - Unashamed of the Gospel

... because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, for you have been my partners in spreading the Good News about Christ from the time you first heard it ...
Philippians 1:5 - Thanksgiving and Prayer

... But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! Let God's curse fall on ...
Galatians 1:8 - No Other Gospel

... As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you, Surely you remember that I was sick when I first brought you the Good News ...
Galatians 4:13 - Paul's Fears for the Galatians

... He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. And then he told them, "Go into all the world and preach the ...
Mark 16:15 - The Great Commission

... On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts. For ...
1 Thessalonians 2:4 - Paul's Ministry

... that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God. ...
1 Timothy 1:11 - Warning against False Teaching

... As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, Many of ...
Romans 11:28 - All Israel Shall Be Saved

 

That's OK, JonC said on another thread that there is reason enough to believe they are lost. So, it's not as bad as being a heretic.

Please. Don't say people enter into the Kingdom of God in salvation by becoming as a little child.

I don't point to kinship. I point to direct succession from the baptism of John.

Of course, I also point to my having a continual line of unbroken chain-link succession from Adam and Eve. You can bet I better believe it by faith, based if nothing else on 'like-begets-like', because I for one sure don't have the verification of an uninterrupted genealogical Pedigree from an Authority in historical research.

But, by there having been a continual line of ancestors intimately related to me back to Adam and Eve is more than easy for me to believe, because I'm here, and the only next best explanation would be a wild rash unsubstantiate-able assumption, like I just spontaneously appeared out of nowhere, but I'm a walking talking human just like they were, fearfully and wonderfully made, thank you very much.

What Gospel did they hold, you think?

And what Gospel do you think I hold, as a heretic?

Try as you might, JonC, to name one.

When Jesus says what the Gospel is and He says, this is the Gospel, what does Jesus say the Gospel is?

What did Jesus 'call' the Gospel?

The Bible qualifies as God Himself saying what the Gospel is:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how
that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Well...

There's the One World Ecumenical Movement daydream for the 'Church' of the Anti-Christ, to meld every other belief system into Roman Catholicism.

Do you have any idea how much money and muscle Satan has expended at that endeavor?

You might want to turn that around where it can do some good.

Christianity is ta-boo unless and until it's said to be Catholic is the belief of billions.

Where do you think Luther and Calvin got their appreciation and extensive concepts of Bible Doctrine? Osmosis? Calvin just sit down and said I think I'll wright up a systematic maze of teachings that inner twine throughout the Bible Supernaturally, from scratch?

Where has it remained true to the New Testament and not been a part of that great apostasy?

Somebody somewhere before you rejected the Scapegoat?

Called? Apostasy. Some Protestant-Baptist daughter's from the harlot daughters of the Great Whore are moving closer back to Ma-Ma. I will behold.

And you think God took them that direction?

And 10s of millions of real Baptists and Baptist-like-faith and order Christians before them who laid down their lives in opposition to such wizardry.

Turning from God is not recommended.

It means a lot to Jesus, in regard to the greatest man born among women that was called the Baptist and to all those through history who have heard to salvation by grace in Jesus alone and believers baptism.

'Baptist' just needs it's normal qualifiers, like local church only, Missionary Landmark, Doctrines of Grace, Scriptural Baptism by Authority of church succession, Trail of Blood, no alien immersion, closed communion, contending for the saints once delivered to the saints, King James Christian version of the Bible preferred, "one member, one vote,” spirit-led democracy, soul liberty, separation of church and State, Divine Order of the Sexes, women silent in the convened assembly, Amillennialism eschatological, narrow Baptist, like I am,
whose purpose as a member is the carrying out of the Great Commission of Matthew 28:16-20?

And salvation by Grace through the actual blood Atonement of Jesus Christ and not another.

Just needs a little more description, as above, to narrow one down on what they actually believe.

You can try to quote me a 'Baptist' that believes in a union between church and State. If there is one, I'll suggest they spell their name with a little 'b'.

What Baptist-like believers can be shown to have persecuted others?

I know Ana-Baptists were painted as if they were associated with the upheaval there and it was used at that time for a convenient way to get shed of a bunch of them, but I don't know of any evidence they were involved other than by interested parties mentioned, in their efforts toward their eradication.

O.K.

I am a Baptist.

 

The Lordship of Jesus, the six literal days of Creation, the Priesthood of the Believer, Cessastionism, Hell is Eternal suffering of the lost in fire, ahhh Hellfire and Brimstone.

I guess that would cover it. I'm a Hellfire and Brimstone Baptist preacher.

Sorry, I would have to tell anyone that, because I should have already made them to have been able to tell.