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I like that term. I wish to now be known as a Refined Baptist. That's due to my distinctive and cultured manner. ;-)

 

I like "Particular Baptist" and "General Baptist" as the 'Monergist/Synergist flavors of Baptists, too.

 

Yeah, so do I, but experience suggests it's rather redundant.

 

Yep. That'll preach.

 

No it is not clear. It is a popular interpertation, but what is that interpertation's cross reference?

 

I'm not sure I follow what you are saying there. Most people who like to label themselves "Calvinist" do not believe you can be less than a 5 point Calvinist. I just think that among what we call Baptists, most believe that God is sovereign, that no one can come without the Holy Spirit calling them but that the call is resistible. As far as the atonement, most Baptists believe that no one has been excluded from any possibility of salvation for the reason that Christ did not die for them. Most reformed Baptist churches that I know of don't make a big issue of this when it comes to membership and the church statements of "What We Believe" on their websites deliberately avoid the issue.

To me, I can see logically how someone who hears the gospel and rejects it throughout their lives - it could be said of them that Christ did not die for them. But logically I'm working backwards as a human and observing the actions of the person and then drawing my conclusion from that. But to say that there are people walking around who from all eternity, were destined to be lost and that the overriding and primary reason for that is that Christ did not include them in the atonement - to me goes too far.

 

What is the 5th point you don't go with?, if you don't mind me prying.

I'll try not to diatribe-rant-cut & paste you.......

no that it would matter or you'd give a flip

just kidding

 

True Baptist-like churches are the History of true Christianity, in the New Testament Era.

You saw what GotQuestions put down for Baptist History;

What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? | GotQuestions.org

They start with the Apostles and the first 100 years on up to the present, saying, essentially, that anything named Baptist originated in New Testament times*.

Of course, by 2023, the overwhelming vast majority of what are called 'Baptist' have departed from the faith, if they could ever be accused of having it.

"Tracking down the origins of the Baptist Church, in general, is an exercise in ancient church history. From the days of the apostles, there was one Church of Jesus Christ, with a single body of doctrine taught by the apostles. The various local churches preached repentance and confession of sins, along with baptism by immersion as an outward sign of the new life in Christ (Romans 6:3-4). Under the authority of the apostles themselves as to doctrine, each church was independently governed by the leaders God placed in them. There was neither denominational hierarchy nor distinction of “us/them” within the various churches."


A Google search says, "Baptists are a group of Christians who share many basic biblical convictions with other Christians but also have some distinctive beliefs or doctrines. Some of these beliefs are the Lordship of Jesus Christ, the Bible as the sole written authority, soul competency, and salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone."

Add to those four, believers' baptism and you have enough for Catholics and Protestants to have killed 50 million of them, throughout all ages since the time of Christ.

*They are saying anything named Baptist is a Landmark Baptist, as to their claim to origins in the first century.

 

A Baptist-like church that Jesus built held to
the Lordship of Jesus Christ,
the Bible as the sole written authority,
soul competency,
salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone,
believers' baptism by immersion.

Those five describe the local church only with Christ's Lordship as their Head, the priesthood of the believer, the Doctrines of Grace, the preservation of the Bible, etc.

They are counter beliefs to all the false ways of 'salvation' and the Christian life.

Why believers' baptism? To counter the heresies which place a false process of 'salvation' using some form of baptism.

A Baptist-like church down through the centuries would hold to;
the Lordship of Jesus Christ,
the Bible as the sole written authority,
soul competency,
salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone,
believers' baptism by immersion.

And a Baptist-like church today would hold to;
the Lordship of Jesus Christ,
the Bible as the sole written authority,
soul competency,
salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone,
believers' baptism by immersion.

We don't have a thing to say that we'd expect anyone to listen to,
apart from the Lordship of Christ.

So, no we would not be eliminating a congregation of scripturally baptized believers holding to those five beliefs held by the churches Jesus built in The New Testament, for any and every esoteric idiosyncrasy, like whether they had Bingo or a Bot Scout Troop, but if they didn't have
salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone,
believers' baptism by immersion, for example, would not be what we're looking for.

Conversely, were one to claim they could prove there was a time period, during The New Testament Era when there wasn't a body of believers somewhere that held to Baptist-like Doctrine and
the Lordship of Jesus Christ,
the Bible as the sole written authority,
soul competency,
salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone,
believers' baptism by immersion,
starting and including the church that Jesus built Himself, I believe they would have a tall order and one that is contrary to plain Bible teaching;

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18.

Unto him be glory in the church* by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. Ephesians 3:21.

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. I Corinthians 11:26.
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*context before, a local church: A Temple in the Lord

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.


context after: local church:

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

You tell me.

What do you want to call it?

What did they have?

God's Word.