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If he spiritually dead, he cannot and will not seek after the True God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

Then if he has the ability to sin he has the ability to trust in the gospel message or why the command to preach the gospel?

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Sinners can hear and believe the gospel message and be saved. Spiritual dead is separation from God not incapable of hearing and trusting in Christ Jesus for salvation

 

Calvinist proof texting on display. I am amazed that so many "christians" on this board think using out of context one liners is the way to support view.

 

Mat 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Mat 7:8 "For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

Mat 7:11 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!

The present tense verbs: “keep on asking”; “keep on seeking”; “keep on knocking” tell us that as unbelievers we can seek God. So we are to seek the good things of God and what could be better than salvation.

The phrases signify to seek with earnestness, diligence, and perseverance. The promise is, that what we seek shall be given us. It is of course implied that we seek with a proper spirit, with humility, sincerity, and perseverance....God is willing to provide for us, to forgive our sins, to save our souls, to befriend us in trial, to comfort us in death, to extend the gospel through the world. Barnes

Some other verses to look at
Proverbs 8:17, Jeremiah 29:13, Matthew 6:33, Luke 13:23-24, Acts of the Apostles 17:26-27, Galatians 2:17, Hebrews 11:6

 

Rom 3:11 is in a context like all scripture is. And it tells you about the natural man

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. That word seeketh is the greek word ekzēteō:

1. to seek out, search for
   
   
2. to seek out, i.e. investigate, scrutinise
   
   
3. to seek out for one's self, beg, crave
   
   
4. to demand back, require
   

Its the same word that characterizes Faith Heb 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

So man naturally do not dilligently seek Him which True Faith requires.

 

Those scripture are for Gods spiritually alive children, not the spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, they dont seek God

 

Why did you use quotation marks for “christians”?

peace to you

 

He is dead because he sinned. Having sinned, he is no longer able to respond to the gospel without God’s intervention.

peace to you

 

The verse you quoted just proves what I have been saying. Man can seek God and find Him.

Heb 11:6 And without faith
it is impossible to please Him,
for he who comes to God
must believe that He is
and
that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

 

Why not?

 

That is why we have creation to show us that there is a creator, the conviction of the Holy Spirit, the gospel message, and the free will to be able to make real choices.

 

That is your understanding of scripture as you can not seem to conceive of God that actually gave man a free will so that He could be just and the justifier of those that freely trust in Him or not.

 

It gives the impression you do not believe they are really Christians. Was that your intention?

If someone disagrees with you on the meaning of the passage in context they aren’t really Christians.. they are supposed “Christians”?

peace to you

 

Partially Correct, per Romans, every person on the planet rejected that general revelation of God found in creation.

Conviction of God Holy Spirit and the gospel of Jesus Christ are special revelation. They do not work together with general revelation found in creation to bring people to salvation. That is an unbiblical concept.

peace to you

 

You're reading way to much into what I wrote.

 

Those that reject the God of creation have no excuse but the context does not show that all denied the God of creation, that is just something that you read into the text. But when we see that the Holy Spirit convicts the whole world you call it special revelation. You make an assumption in one case and reject what the bible says in the other. Your being selective in what you believe the bible says.

What you call the special revelation of the Holy Spirit would indicate that He only convicts some people but the bible disagrees with you. But even conviction does not guarantee that all will respond in a positive way to that conviction. When the gospel message is presented to a group of people not all will accept the truth of the message even though all are convicted by it. Acts of the Apostles 13:16-48

 

Ok, so are you saying that when you use “christians” in quotes you are not questioning the profession of faith of those “christians”?

Peace to you