Just curious. Are you a Biden supporter? Do you think he is doing a good job?
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KenH
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No and no. Philosophically, I am a classical liberal(some use the term, libertarian). I have absolutely no use, politically, for either Joe Biden nor Donald Trump.
As far as I am concerned, the last great U.S. president, who actually tried to adhere to the U.S. Constitution, was Grover Cleveland.
Grover Cleveland, The Last Libertarian President | Investor's Business Daily (investors.com)
Thank you for your response.
So do you still vote for a president during elections?
and as such he allows people to do dumb things!
KenH
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It is not a matter of God allowing anything. God "allows" nothing, as far as the way that we mere humans typically think of "allow".
KenH
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Yes, since 1976. Fortunately, in Arkansas it is not difficult for minor party and independent candidates to be on the ballot for president of the United States. So, we have lots of choices every four years in Arkansas. For instance, there were 13 choices on the ballot in 2020.
KenH
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You might find this interesting; this is the philosophy of government that I agree with:
"The state therefore has two natural functions, functions essential to the existence of any peaceful, ordered society: to protect the rights of citizens against violent or fraudulent assault, and to judge in conflicts of right with right. It has a further third function, which is another aspect of the first, that is, to protect its citizens from assault by foreign powers. These three functions are expressed by three powers: the police power, which protects the citizen against domestic violence; the military power, which protects the citizen against violence from abroad; and the courts of law, which judge between rights and rights, as well as sharing with the police power the protection of the citizen against domestic violence.
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But since this institution must possess a monopoly of legal physical force, to give to it in addition any further power is fraught with danger; that monopoly gives to the state so much power that its natural functions should be its maximum functions."
- Frank S. Meyer, In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo, published in 1962
Then we must agree to disagree
That's great you have so many choices. So does it come down to who is the least sinful candidate (since we are all sinners)? Is there ever a time you don't vote for any of the choices since they are too sinful?
Thank you.
KenH
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I have voted for president in every presidential election since 1976. It has just depended on the political situation at the time whom I have voted for.
Well, one thing about Trump, he said his presidency (one term, by the way) would be historic and he continues to make history. Psalms 115:3; Proverbs 19:21; Daniel 4:35; Ephesians 1:11. This is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes.
Live updates: Trump surrenders to Fulton County authorities in Georgia 2020 election case
He's not an inmate.
He is not a prisoner (someone imprisoned after being convicted), but he is someone who has been charged with a crime and under the jurisdiction of the court on bail. He was issued an inmate number, and would be held in physical custody if he had not posted bail. So it is fair to refer to him as an inmate.
canadyjd
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Perhaps, technically, he was. Since he is not currently incarcerated, he is not an inmate.
I notice at least two co-defendants are asking for speedy trials. I think one has already been set for mid-October.
The prosecutor wants everyone tried at the same time, and is protesting.
I really do expect this case in Georgia to fall apart in record time.
peace to you
I do as well. I think most (Democrats and Republicans) understand it is just a political stunt. And it plays right into Trump's narrative.
I think the goal was to damage his campaign as he is the leading GOP candidate. I doubt any politician believed it would result in conviction - or at least jail time.
It was a dumb move. Regardless of the outcome the path is paved to charge politicians on both sides of the political arena.
Chesebro's trial is scheduled to begin on October 23, 2023. Willis is ready to go with prosecution of all 19 in October.
She's not trying to avoid going to trial in October, she trying to prosecute ALL of them in October. Willis is ready, but some defendants may need more time to prepare their defense.
Have you actually read the indictment? It looks quite solid and well-documented, and the majority of this information was publicly known by those who were paying attention. Why do you think that the majority of charges will not stick?
canadyjd
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Right. A never ending cycle of retaliation.
The only question, imo, is do the facts support the charges.
The prosecutor seems to be saying “they claimed there was election fraud, but they knew there wasn’t any…”. Same with Smiths case. The obvious problem is proving what they “knew”
What if the defense attorneys start demanding election officials be deposed.., the SOS for Georgia, the Governor?
I can see them attempting to make the case there was good reason to suspect fraud and they were well within their rights to pursue the evidence.
DT will likely put the whole 2020 election on trial. He may call witnesses from 6 different states. Depose election officials and volunteers. He might even call those former intelligence officials who put out the statement on the lap top.
What if DT uses these trials to get the judicial review of 2020 they he believes he was denied? Hard to imagine, but DT could turn all this around and put the whole election of 2020 on trial.
peace to you
I believe you are incorrect. Not a stunt at all, but a required prosecution of racketeering and election fraud (the fake elector scheme).
Big deal. The Trump cult believes everything he says. The law should not be based on popular opinion.
The investigation has been going on much longer than his candidacy. He has chosen to run a campaign (of sorts) in the middle of his legal troubles.
In terms of politics, perhaps, but not in terms of justice. The only thing worse than indicting Trump is not indicting him. It appears that he and his accomplices committed election fraud, as well as numerous other crimes. The legal system needs to come down HARD on that so people will think twice about trying it again.
canadyjd
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I understand she wants everyone to be tried at once. It doesn’t look like that will happen.
The charges won’t stick because she is, first of all, bringing charges for “crimes” that did not occur in her jurisdiction. She is a county prosecutor.
Second, she has grossly applied the Rico statutes to include political thought. It will never pass constitutional muster.
Third, she is charging attorneys for giving legal advice to their clients. It will never pass constitutional muster.
Forth, she released a copy of the indictments on her website before the grand jury actually voted out indictments. Clearly violating grand jury secrecy (felony?) and showing the process was flawed at best and illegal at worse.
You see a great case? I see an obvious political attack that will fall into a thousand pieces once the motions start flying from 19 co-defendants. It is already beginning with motions for speedy trial from some.
peace to you
If you have read the indictments, you would already know that they have extensive testimony to that regard, as well as two different reports (paid for by Trump's campaign), demonstrating that there was no evidence of significant election fraud..
I believe all of those officials have been deposed and the defense will have a chance to cross-examine.
There was judicial review of all of his "evidence" several years ago. He lost every time.
It would be a good thing for his to try that "stolen election" lie in court, since that might actually change the minds of those who are not willfully deluded.
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