Featured Where Does the Bible Say that the Church Will be Removed From Tribulation?

@Revmitchell wrote a rebuttal in the Revelation 12 thread.

I asked Revmitchell where the Bible tells us that the Church will not be here on earth during Tribulation.

So, where does the Bible teach the removal of the Church from Tribulation?

I don't see it in Revelation, so where is it taught?

 

Do you take every statement in Revelation and in the Bible literally? Certainly no one does. However, futurists often use literal interpretation to mean verses they interpret literally against verses they don't interpret literally, and, they are the ones who get to decide what is literal and what isn't. In Matthew 1 we see Mathew employing a numbering strategy known as gematria. John uses the same technique in Revelation. In both places the numbers are not meant to be taken literally. The author expects his readers to understand.

Do you understand?

The context of 1 Thessalonians 5:9 has nothing to do with removing the Church out from planet earth while God deals with those who have not been marked by the angels. (Revelation 7)

In 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11 we see that God has not destined us for hell. He has destined us for heaven. So, whether we die or we live on earth, we live for Christ Jesus. There is no removal from tribulation in these verses.

For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

God's wrath falls upon the dragon, the beast, the false prophet and those marked with the number of the beast (as opposed to those marked by God).
The dragon's wrath falls upon the children of God who are still presently serving God on a world that is undergoing terrible tribulation.

This is irrelevant to the Church being raptured and is not the point of this thread. Therefore I will not address it.

I thought you said you took the Bible literally. Here you show us that you don't. You have interpreted this using symbols. So you do interpret like an amillennialist when it fits your narrative. Good to know.
Revelation 4 comes after the letters to the churches in Asia Minor. It is a glimpse into heaven and no one in the church is shown in the chapter beside John.
Revelation 5 is the scroll of Revelation and only the Lamb of God can break the seals. John is distraught until the Lamb comes and breaks the seals. The Church is not in the vision. However there is this Magnus opus of a song that starts at the throne, moves to the 4 creatures, then to the 24 elders, then to the myriads of angels and then to all creation as a resounding BOOM, which rushes back to the 4 creatures who say "Amen" and results in the elders worshipping the Lamb.

Where is the raptured church in those two chapters? You must admit that you have to project the church into the chapter since the church is not literally there.

Indeed, it was a start and I thank you for your start.

This topic is purely to find out the verses that show the church is removed from the Tribulation. I am curious to see those literal verses as I would like, very much, to not have to suffer the wrath of the dragon and his minions if I don't have to.

 

Do you take every statement in Revelation and in the Bible literally? Certainly no one does. However, futurists often use literal interpretation to mean verses they interpret literally against verses they don't interpret literally, and, they are the ones who get to decide what is literal and what isn't. In Matthew 1 we see Mathew employing a numbering strategy known as gematria. John uses the same technique in Revelation. In both places the numbers are not meant to be taken literally. The author expects his readers to understand.

Do you understand?

The context of 1 Thessalonians 5:9 has nothing to do with removing the Church out from planet earth while God deals with those who have not been marked by the angels. (Revelation 7)

In 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11 we see that God has not destined us for hell. He has destined us for heaven. So, whether we die or we live on earth, we live for Christ Jesus. There is no removal from tribulation in these verses.

For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

God's wrath falls upon the dragon, the beast, the false prophet and those marked with the number of the beast (as opposed to those marked by God).
The dragon's wrath falls upon the children of God who are still presently serving God on a world that is undergoing terrible tribulation.

This is irrelevant to the Church being raptured and is not the point of this thread. Therefore I will not address it.

I thought you said you took the Bible literally. Here you show us that you don't. You have interpreted this using symbols. So you do interpret like an amillennialist when it fits your narrative. Good to know.
Revelation 4 comes after the letters to the churches in Asia Minor. It is a glimpse into heaven and no one in the church is shown in the chapter beside John.
Revelation 5 is the scroll of Revelation and only the Lamb of God can break the seals. John is distraught until the Lamb comes and breaks the seals. The Church is not in the vision. However there is this Magnus opus of a song that starts at the throne, moves to the 4 creatures, then to the 24 elders, then to the myriads of angels and then to all creation as a resounding BOOM, which rushes back to the 4 creatures who say "Amen" and results in the elders worshipping the Lamb.

Where is the raptured church in those two chapters? You must admit that you have to project the church into the chapter since the church is not literally there.

Indeed, it was a start and I thank you for your start.

This topic is purely to find out the verses that show the church is removed from the Tribulation. I am curious to see those literal verses as I would like, very much, to not have to suffer the wrath of the dragon and his minions if I don't have to.

 

Rev, I know what literal interpretation is. I suggest that my post actually showed a more literal interpretation of the passages than yours did.
You are attacking me instead of showing us passages that present the church being raptured away from any tribulation.

I have read through the Bible multiple times. I don't see a passage that tells us the church won't be around during tribulation. Is 1 Thessalonians 5 your only verses?

 

I don't see a rapture in this verse. I do see this verse agreeing with Revelation 19:11-21. And I see Revelation 19:11-21 revealing and fulfilling Psalm 2 when our King returns.

 

I am curious where the rapture is in your verse. If we look at the whole passage, Jesus comes after the Tribulation (see verse 29).

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
(Matthew 24:21-31)

Am I missing something that is "literally" there?

 

Why does that worry you?
Is the rapture literally there or not?
How does anybody come up with "the days of suffering will be cut short because the church will be raptured" from this passage?
One would have to already believe in a pre-trib rapture before ever reading the verse in order to see a rapture in that verse. How is it actually there in that verse?

I understand that some people try to shove the rapture into the verse, but where is it in actuality? The only thing being cut short is the tribulation in that verse.

It's a good thing I am not a 5th grader.
If we had a room full of 5th graders who knew no theology, would they read a rapture in that verse?