Featured Study Question: Revelation 12:1-6 - Who is the Woman?

Stop distracting from the question. Show us the people who have taught the woman as the Holy Spirit in Revelation 12, besides yourself.
If no one in 2000 years plus has ever said what you claim then let that be a bright red flag to you.

 

Yet another post from Van where he provides no other person in all of human history who holds his view of the woman being the Holy Spirit.

2000 plus years of commentary and no one says what Van is saying.

The reader can be the judge regarding the validity of Van's interpretation.

 

The earliest non Catholic futurist teachers, the Irvingites, taught that the rapture would be in July 1835. Irvingism in its rise, progress, and current state. by Robert Baxter 1836.
It should have been ditched then, but that was soon forgotten. And many
Y Baptists adopted Futurism in the early 20th century with the introduction of the Scofield bible. As one writer said, "The new doctrine needed it's own bible" this bible was given free to many seminaries in the USA and the rot set in.

 

What is to come in the future? Is there a future?

Relative to God and man:

What took place, in the past?
What is taking place in the moment of the present?
Is there a future and if the answer is yes, what will take place.

Relative to God and man.

Was the Passover, that is the Lamb of God, Christ, considered slain from the foundation of the world, actually at a spacific moment in time slain? When? What did that do relative to God and man?

What did the slaying of the Lamb of God set forth in motion relative to God and man? Is what set forth in motion relative to the holy convocation feast's of God?

Consider this verse?
cleanse out, therefore, the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, according as ye are unleavened, for also our passover for us was sacrificed -- Christ, 1 Cor 5:7 YLT

The 15th day and the 211st day of the first month, unleavened bread.

When was the next holy convocation? Let me post a verse and ask a question. Verse Rom 8:23 YLT
And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;

When did the Spirit become available to be poured out? Acts 2:32,33 YLT 'This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses; at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear;

What day did that shedding forth take place?

What holy convocation follows?

Are trumpets relative to the appearing of Christ and resurrection of Christ's and or instant change of Christ's?
1 Cor 15:23,52 1 Thes 4:14-17

Any of your friends been resurrected? When?

 

Exactly. The first dispensationalist teachings were "confirmed" by charismatic prophets, one of whom recall Ted and accuse himself of delusion. The rapture, according to them would occur 1260 days after Jan 1832 , and occur in July 1835. They gathered together at that day to await the great event.

 

That is purely futurist teaching. No evidence in scripture that the church will not be here. Revelation is a history of The Church, written in advance.

There are two women in Revelation, The bride, the true church and the hadlot, the false church. They are also two cities, The New Jerusalem, and Mystery Babylon the Great , which pesecutes the true church and its members. Which church has multiple idols, has persecuted the true believers of Christ throughout the ages, with its Inquisition and other fiendish methods?

The answer should be obvious to you.

 

This is one of the many problems on this board with regard to these discussions. Sophomoric assertions such as "there is no evidence" is often bandied about by insecure individuals who have no idea how to support their own view. Further, they want to win a debate rather than have a reasonable discussion. It is flat out not true that there is no evidence. Reasonable people can have diffrerent views of the same scripture. Admitting that does not mean one is then compelled to succeed to the other persons view hence the sophomoric nature.

You make a claim here without any support or substantiation. If you are going to try and assert there is no evidence of someone else's view but then provide no evidence your your won opinion what does that say about your view? Can you actually defend it or do you just want to make nasty posts to those with whom you disagree with?

No no, your opinion will never be obvious to me.

 

Where is the evidence that the church will not be on earth during Tribulation? It's never suggested in the book of Revelation. Are you extrapolating from Paul's writings and projecting into Revelation?

Better yet, I will make a new thread to address this.

 

Nope.

And no one in over 2000 years has ever said what you say.

 

You have not provided even one person who has claimed what you claim. I wait for evidence of even one scholar who shares your opinion, Van.

 

And the LORD God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”

Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said:

“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Was the woman taken from the man for the very purpose of bringing forth the one, through whom, this stated by @Van [ Is the Holy Spirit personified in scripture, say as our "Helper?" Greek experts say yes.] would be made available to man?

Was there a preconceived path of the Holy Spirit from God to man?

'This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses; at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear;

Is that how woman was going to be the, "helper," of the man?

Maybe the woman is a woman.