Featured The Tribulation Period

No i didn't say that at all. The tribulation of those days was on Jerusalem when it was made desolate by the Romans. It has nothing to do with Revelation.

Actually I accidentally posted this before I had finished it. I was waiting for a call from my doctor for my wife as she can't use a smart phone. I started to edit it again and I had written quite a lot when the doctor rand, but when we had finished the call I had lost my edit, so I gave up.

I may write it again and I may not.

A couple of questions for you. I don't expect you to answer as I asked you what your literal interpretation of Revelation 9 or the 200,000,000 horsemen is? I asked you a couple of times and you haven't answered.

Anyway is the little horn in Daniel 7 the Antichrist? If so what does it say he will do?

You accuse me of allegory. That is not used in scripture . Scripture uses parable and figure. Revelation was "sent and signified" as I remember, that is it is told in signs and figures.

As you said there are several great tribulations in scripture on different peoples and different perpetrators. So to say The Tribulation is a misnomer.

 

It is quite a simple question. How you understand Revelation 9? What does it refer to? If that is too hard try Revelation 10.

 

OK so my questions were too hard for you.

Let's try the other one. Is the little horn in Daniel 7 the antichrist?

 

Historicism was targeted by the Jesuits, as it was doing much harm to the Catholic Church, so they introduced several different teachings including futurism. After banning and burning scriptures over the centuries, then banning the reading of Revelation, they brought out several different attempts to undermine the teaching. They didn't have much success until Edward Irving preached on Dispensationalism in 1825. (Morning Watch magazine.) For the rest of the 19th century it was mainly confined to the Irvingite church, renamed The Catholic Apostolic Church and then to Darby's Plymouth Brethren.
It didn't tealy take off until the Scofield Bible was introduced.

 

You sound like a couple of JW elders I speak to. I said Paul wrote that " Your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost." Is the body the individuals body or the corporate body of believers? Each time I pass them I ask that and the always skip round the question. They don't believe the Holy Spirit is God.

 

I disagree. A "shadow" presents a mysterious depiction of a reality. A coming Messiah's work product, those delivered, is thus a shadow of the coming body of Christ.

As far as any sort of Covenant with "national Israel," you would need to cite a verse which indicates "believing Israel" is not in view.

 

The tribulation is God's curses upon servants of the Beast for their mistreatment of God's children. God continues to bring curses on men today and we, God's children continue to suffer at the hands of servants of the Beast. We aren't removed from being persecuted, but certainly God's judgment falls upon Babylon, not his children.

Paul gives us clarity about who God was referring to when he told Abraham he would make a great nation.
First, the Old Testament gives us the very lineage by which Christ Jesus entered the world, showing that God kept his promise.
Second, Paul gives us information about the extent of that great nation as a people who have been given the same faith that Abraham had.

For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God’s Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.
(Romans 2:28-29)

They are the people of Israel, chosen to be God’s adopted children. God revealed his glory to them. He made covenants with them and gave them his law. He gave them the privilege of worshiping him and receiving his wonderful promises. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God’s people! Being descendants of Abraham doesn’t make them truly Abraham’s children. For the Scriptures say, “Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted,” though Abraham had other children, too. This means that Abraham’s physical descendants are not necessarily children of God. Only the children of the promise are considered to be Abraham’s children.
(Romans 9:4-8)

It seems pretty clear that the Church is the great nation God has brought from His promise to Abraham.

 

Great Tribulation in the olivet discourse is on the Jews for rejecting and crucified the Messiah.

Great tribulation in Revelation 7:13-14 is on Christian believers, presumably carried out by the little horn in Daniel 7, commonly believed to be Antichrist, whose mission is to wear out the saints of the most high and prevail against them. Daniel 7:21 & 25
There I have answered it for you @Revmitchell , which you declined to answer. Simple wasn't it?

 

Here, the phrase "I will make your descendants into a great nation" is claimed to represent a promise to national Israel. Fiddlesticks. God used the same phrase to describe the descendants of Ishmael, Genesis 17:20. And the Hebrew word translated "nation" could also be translated "people" thus national Israel is no where to be found. OTOH, believers comprise a "holy nation" 1 Peter 2:9.

Obviously, the great nation promised to Abraham is the body of Christ!!!

 

The nation of Israel was in a covenant that God set up with Moses. If the nation obeyed the law, they would be blessed. If they disobeyed, they would be cursed. The nation disobeyed and its leaders did the absolute worst thing by killing the Anointed King, Jesus. In my opinion, when Jesus said "It is finished", on the cross, He was referring to the Mosaic covenant with the nation of Israel. The New Covenant was established and the Israel of God became the Church by which the blessing is conferred.

The nation of Israel has had its relationship with God ended and that is one reason why the destruction of Jerusalem happened in 70AD.

 

Why would it be wishful thinking. I actually provided scriptural evidence for my position, I did no wishful thinking when I provided scripture.
Why is it that you won't even consider the evidence set before you?