Featured Matthew 16:21-23 and Satan's Role in the Crucifixion of Jesus

I think we have to take Scripture for what it says on all accounts.

Many times God emphasizes the role of the Devil in killing Jesus. BUT many times God emphasizes that this was God's plan, that the Father sent the Sin for this purpose, and the Son lay down His own life for this purpose, all with an end result (But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power).

There is the one side - the actions of men "doing the desires of the Devil" - concluding with a "but" and then the other side - the predetermined plan of God concluding with the Resurrection.

All of that is true because God said it.


@Scripture More Accurately is elevating the Devil, I don't believe intentionally, by focusing on the will of the Devil.

The Devil is angry. His "fierce wrath" is poured out on Christ. BUT he is angry because he knows his time is short.

There are no passages that present the Devil as believing he will defeat God. But there are numerous passages stating that the Devil is man's adversary, has to have permission from God to act, knows he is to be destroyed (God actually told him this in Genesis), and is acting in great anger.

 

You are wrong because you are using one passage to reject other passages. The proof that you are wrong is in Scripture (you deny what does not suit your argument because you see those verses as contradicting your argument).


You are wrong because you present the Devil as not seeking Christ's death. You are not wrong in that the Devil is behind the temptation.


John 8:37–46 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.” They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus *said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. “But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? "

 

I handled the passage by quoting the passage -

"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. You are doing the deeds of your father.”

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. “


Do you believe that those men seeking to kill Jesus were doing the deeds of their father the Devil?

 

Now, you don't get to control the thread or who responds. My question is on topic to the thread (Satan's role in the crucifixion).

Many of us believe that Scripture explains Scripture, that verses are not contradictions.

"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. You are doing the deeds of your father.”

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. “

It is a simple question I asked, and important to the topic:

Do you believe that those men seeking to kill Jesus were doing the deeds of their father the Devil, doing the desires of the Devil?

 

We are all free to believe what we want to believe. And we are all free to argue our beliefs on these threads. I am asking what you believe.

"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. You are doing the deeds of your father.”

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. “

It is a simple question I asked, and important to the topic:

Do you believe that those men seeking to kill Jesus were doing the deeds of their father the Devil, doing the desires of the Devil?

 

Again, Scripture addressed the OP (Satan's role in the crucifixion).

You started the thread. I agree that the Devil was behind Peter's temptation to Christ (Christ Himself expressed a desire not to suffer and die while also desiring to do the Father's will).

BUT that is not the only passage that speaks of the Devil's role.

As Christians it is important to examine God's Word (not just pick out one passage we think could be used to support an idea).

Scripture interprets Scripture. ALL of Scripture is God's Word and needs to be considered when answering the OP.

It is wrong to ignore God's Word when trying to address the role of the Devil in the Crucifixion.


"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. You are doing the deeds of your father.”

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. “

It is a simple question I asked, and important to the topic:

Do you believe that those men seeking to kill Jesus were doing the deeds of their father the Devil, doing the desires of the Devil?

 

Unfortunately @Scripture More Accurately does not desire to examine Scripture more accurately. He cannot bring himself/ herself to answer one very basic question. What he/ she is doing is simply trying to use a verse to support an idea, so the rest of God's Word simply doesn't matter.

But we have to rely on God and God's Word to answer the OP. It is impossible to dismiss God and rely only on three verses to determine what those three verses do not actually address.

 

The OP is about the Devil's role in the Crucifixion and Matthew 16:21-23.

In order to evaluate the role of the Devil in the Crucifixion and the role of those three verses where Peter's words tempt Jesus we must not exclude other passages dealing with the role of the Devil in the crucifixion.

For example:


Luke 22:42 “Father, if You are willing, take this cup away from Me—nevertheless, not My will, but Yours, be done.”

It was Jesus' will that the cup pass. This is understandable. BUT was Jesus' will the same as the Devil's will?

Then we have the most complete description of the Devil's role in the Crucifixion (found in Acts 2):


"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. You are doing the deeds of your father.”"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. “


If we exclude what God has to say about the role of the Devil in the crucifixion and rely on three verses where Peter's words were a temptation to Christ then we cannot walk away with any biblical understanding.