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THE SERVANT OF GOD.

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  1. Alex2165

    Alex2165 Active Member

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    Acts 13.26
    13. The GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the GOD of our fathers, has glorified His Servant Jesus, the One Whom you delivered up and disowned in the presence of *Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.

    26. For you first GOD raised up His Servant (Jesus) (verses 13.15), and sent Him to bless you, by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.'

    ~ 13. *Pilate (Gr. Pilatus). The fifth procurator, or governmental representative, of imperial Rome in Israel at the time of Christ, holding this office from 26 to 36 A.C. Whether it be considered an honor or disgrace, he is the one man of all Roman officialdom who is named in the Apostles' Creed - "suffered under Pontius Pilate."

    The four Gospels relate the sad but glorious events fully, especially the Gospel of John. Pilate is also mentioned in the Acts (Acts 3.13, 4.27, 13.28) and in 1Timothy 6.13, where we are told that Jesus "before Pontius Pilate made the good confession."

    Pontius was his family name showing that he was descended from the Roman family, or gens, of pontii. Pilate no doubt came from the Latin pilatus, meaning "one armed with a pilum, or javelin."

    The New International Dictionary of the Bible. J. D. Douglas, Merrill C. Tenney.

    In this sense Jesus Serve His Father GOD not only as His Son but also as His GOD (Psalm 45.7) (Hebrews 1.9) (John 20.17) (Revelation 3.2.12) (Romans 6.10).

    I cannot find a verse in the Bible where GOD Father call His Son Jesus as GOD, but Jesus called His Father as GOD in number of occasions. Between GOD Father and His Son Jesus, GOD Father is the Supreme GOD and Jesus His Son lesser GOD because He is the Son of His Father Who created Him.

    Between GOD Father, His Son, and Their Holy Spirit, and the people of the Earth, for all of us, They Are Both GODS, Father and Son.

    Jesus is the perfect Mirror and Representation of His Father and because of it we hear and see the Father literally as He is at any particular moment, through everything what Jesus ever said, teach, and did. So for us, in this matter, the Father and His Son Are Both Holy Spirit and Are Both GODS and we can hear and see the Father of Jesus Christ through Jesus Christ Himself (John 12.45) as His perfect Image.

    In Acts 3.13 Peter specified only the relationship between Jesus and His Father alone, in which Jesus the Son of His Father GOD is the Servant of His Father Who always fulfilling the will of His Father in everything that His Father Commands Him to say or to do (John 15.10).

    GOD Father raised Christ from the dead (Acts 2.24, 3.26) and also made Him Lord and Christ (Acts 2.36). So, everything what Jesus Christ have (Matthew 11.27) (Luke 10.22) (John 3.35, 16.15, 17.7.10), said, and done, everything came from His Father and not from Jesus Himself, even His Titles as Lord and Christ, all came from His Father Who gave it to Him.

    It is good to remember that Jesus Christ is not independent, separated, self-governing or self-sufficient GOD, but Creation of His Father, and because of it Jesus Christ reflect His Father GOD in everything that He think, saying, and doing and nothing came from Himself, except Love and Obedience to His Father GOD.

    2John 1.9
    9. "Everyone who does not abide in the Teaching of Christ but goes beyond it does not have GOD, whoever abides in the Teaching has Both, the Father and the Son."
     
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  2. Scarlett O.

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    My heart breaks for you, truly it does.

    Jesus Christ is NOT a created being. Period. I know that you people put Colossians 1:15 as concrete evidence that Jesus was created, but you do not know the scriptures. Jesus Christ has "pre-eminence" over all creation.

    In Psalm 89, KIng David is also called the firstborn of his father. Well, that's not literally true, either. As the LAST born of Jesse, ironically, he held pre-eminince over his people as king.

    I know I'll never convince you. I have tried to talk to people like you for decades, but to no avail.

    I just leave you and say I pray for you.
     
    #2 Scarlett O., Nov 24, 2023
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  3. Alan Gross

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    Isaiah 9:6
    "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
    and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

    and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God,
    The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

    Isaiah 9 Gill's Exposition

    the mighty God; or "God the mighty One" (r); as some read the words with a comma; but if read together, the sense is the same; Christ is God, truly and properly so; as appears from his name Jehovah, which is peculiar to the most High; from his nature and perfections, being the same with his Father's: from the works performed by him, as those of creation, providence, miracles, redemption, resurrection from the dead, &c.; and from the worship given him, which only belongs to God; also he is called our God, your God, their God, my God, by which epithets those that are not truly God are never called; he is said to be God manifest in the flesh; God over all, blessed for ever; the great God, the living God, the true God, and eternal life; and he is "the mighty One" as appears by the works he did, previous to his incarnation; as the creation of all things out of nothing; the upholding of all things by the word or his power; the management of all the affairs of providence, there being nothing done but what he was concerned in;...

    Christ is a Father with respect to chosen men, who were given him as his children and offspring in covenant; who are adopted into that family that is named of him, and who are regenerated by his Spirit and grace: and to these he is an "everlasting Father"; he was so from everlasting; for regeneration and faith do not make men children, but make them appear to be so; God's elect are children previous to the Spirit's work upon them, and even to the incarnation and death of Christ; adoption is an act of the will of God in covenant from eternity: and Christ is a Father to these unto everlasting; he will never die, and they shall never be left fatherless; he and they will ever continue in this relation; he as such supplies them with everlasting provisions, he clothes them with everlasting raiment, he gives them an everlasting portion, promotes them to everlasting honour, saves them with an everlasting salvation, bearing an everlasting love to them.


    Hebrews 1:8 But UNTO the SON he saith, THY THRONE, O GOD (theos), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (KJV)

    Wrong religion. Christianity doesn't stand for blasphemy of their Lord God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    Jesus is God, as the express image of God. And He always has been.

    Proverbs 8:30; Then I was by him, as one brought up with him:
    and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

    You don't know Who raised Jesus from the dead?

    Wrong.

    Get some church. Get Jesus.

    Chapter 30
    OF THE DISTINCT PERSONALITY, AND DEITY OF THE SON.
    John Gill: Doctrinal Divinity - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

    BOOK V.
    OF THE GRACE OF CHRIST IN HIS STATES OF HUMILIATION AND EXALTATION, AND IN THE OFFICES EXERCISED BY HIM IN THEM.
    John Gill: Doctrinal Divinity - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

    John 8:12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. 14Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 15Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 19Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. 20These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

    21Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. 22Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. 23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning...

    Doctrinal Divinity by John Gill.
    John Gill: Doctrinal Divinity - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
     
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  4. Alex2165

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    Please, do not break your heart over me, it is totally useless.

    No one argues here that Jesus do not have "pre-eminence over all creation" as you wrote.

    But you ignoring and refusing accept the fact and the Words of GOD which indicating that Jesus is Created, Made, and Born of His Father as it written in the Bible and all the verses I already presented, and you still do not understand and deny that the Son can only exist if He was BORN from His Father, as it is the same and on Earth among humans.

    You mentioned Psalm 89.27
    27."I also shall MAKE him (David) My first-born, the highest of the kings of the Earth."

    This verse does not relate to David's order of physical birth, as far as I remember he was the 8th, the last son of Jesse.

    The verse means that GOD exulted David and will MAKE him "the highest of the kings," which is under this context "My first born" means the highest, the first, the head of all kings of the Earth, not only over his people as you mentioned.

    It is similar to a family in which the oldest brother higher than the younger brothers. But in GOD'S view sometimes youngest brother dominates and higher over oldest brother, just like Jacob became "FIRST BORN" and received FIRST-BORN blessing and became the father of all Hebrews, the people of GOD, and not Esau, the first-born.

    Not because Jacob "cheated" his oldest brother Esau, but because GOD choose him to be the FIRST, just like GOD chose David out of many kings to be the first and higher above all kings of the Earth.

    GOD spoke figuratively saying, "My first-born" and not literally, to indicate that He put David higher than all the kings of the Earth.

    Of course, before David had been many different kings, but none of them was so appreciated and loved by GOD as David, So, for this reason the Lord GOD exulted David above all kings of the Earth. (My first -born king above all kings of the Earth).

    I also would like to tell you that I do not need your pity Scarlet, and I do not need anyone to pray for me, I pray for myself, and my Lord hears me.
     
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  5. Alan Gross

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    I think you have to show, "the Words of GOD which indicating that Jesus is Created, Made, and Born of His Father as it written in the Bible," before you can say that you showed, "the Words of GOD which indicating that Jesus is Created, Made, and Born of His Father as it written in the Bible".

    That's some philosophy.

    Did you make that up?

    Are you sure about that?

    You pray to your Lord and he hears you.

    Question. What do you talk about?

    That you are more powerful than Jesus' helpless self?
     
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    What shall I render unto the Lord for all his benefits toward me? I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the Lord. I will pay my vows unto the Lord now in the presence of all His people. Psalm 116:12-14

    Psalm 1:1-6

    1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

    2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

    3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

    4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

    5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the Judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

    6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


    Praise the Lord

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