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LOL, you are now desperately looking for minute semantics as your escape from what the text clearly tells you. Any English version (outside of perhaps the Mormons and JWs) tells you that you are saved by grace alone. You received faith by God's gracious gift alone. Your righteousness is found with Christ alone. Twist all you want and God's word remains clear. No matter how you slice and dice, apart from God you are wretchedly unsaved and irredeemable. Only in Christ are you made righteous and redeemed. There is no other way. On this I take my stand.

 

My only conclusion to what you have written is that you don't believe God saved you by grace.

It's all from God and nothing from you.
(Ephesians 2:8-10)
God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.

(Hebrews 12:2)
We do this by keeping our eyes on Jesus, the champion who initiates and perfects our faith. Because of the joy awaiting him, he endured the cross, disregarding its shame. Now he is seated in the place of honor beside God’s throne.

How Is Faith a Gift? | Ligonier Ministries

 

@taisto you just proved the case in your post. God saved us by His grace when you believed. Not so that you would believe.

Christ Jesus is the author, or pioneer, of our faith in the sense that He has provided us with the only perfect example of what the life of faith is like. He is also the finisher of our faith as an example of faith / confidence in God.

 

God saved you, how?
Was it by your belief?
What does the text actually say?
How did God save you? What does that text actually say?
"God saved you by his grace"

In fact, the text tells you this twice. In verses 4-5 and in verses 8-9.

If you generated your own belief, then you can pay yourself on the back for the great effort you made that caused God to save you.

@Silverhair, are you looking for a hearty slap on the back from God for your great effort that caused Him to love you so much? Is that what you're looking for?

 

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Brother Glen

 

In this age there are both the elect and the damned in our churches. Satan has his marked people in among the marked of God. God has told his angels not to bring the sickle until the time when the harvest of the elect is complete (2 Peter 3). Then Revelation 14:15-20 happens, just as the parable of the tares and the wheat tell us.

"Then another angel came from the Temple and shouted to the one sitting on the cloud, “Swing the sickle, for the time of harvest has come; the crop on earth is ripe.” So the one sitting on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the whole earth was harvested. After that, another angel came from the Temple in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. Then another angel, who had power to destroy with fire, came from the altar. He shouted to the angel with the sharp sickle, “Swing your sickle now to gather the clusters of grapes from the vines of the earth, for they are ripe for judgment.” So the angel swung his sickle over the earth and loaded the grapes into the great winepress of God’s wrath. The grapes were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress in a stream about 180 miles long and as high as a horse’s bridle."

 

The fact that I have quoted these verses to you before just proves that it is not the bible you believe but yourself. That is so sad that you think you know better than the Holy Spirit.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Even you should be able to understand that next two verses

Act 16:30 And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Act 16:31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

You really do not have a grasp on scripture do you. I quoted text from your post and you still do not get it.

God saved us by His grace when you believed.

The person has to believe as God does not do it for them, unless your a Calvinist and then you think He did but you can never be sure as according to Calvinism you had nothing to do with it.

 

God saved you, how?
Was it by your belief?
What does the text actually say?
How did God save you? What does that text actually say?
"God saved you by his grace"

Are you looking for a hearty slap on the back from God for your great effort that caused Him to love you so much? Is that what you're looking for?

How did you, as a spiritually dead man, make yourself believe?

 

(Ephesians 2:4-6)
But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much, that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!) For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus.

 

You really need to read more of the bible than your so call proof texts.

Joh 16:8 "And He {the Holy Spirit}, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Eph 1:13 In Him, {Christ Jesus} you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him {Christ Jesus} with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

So it seems that God trusts that those under conviction of their sin and hearing the gospel message can make real choices and can turn and trust in Christ Jesus for their salvation.

 

Your really need to start using a better translation than one written for children which the NLT actually was.

 

All these verses prove that God saves by grace alone.
The fact that you will not acknowledge God's word on your behalf is very revealing.

 

And here's your strawman.

 

Have I said He does not save by grace, NO

Who do you think does the saving in these verses?

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Eph 1:13 In Him, {Christ Jesus} you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him {Christ Jesus} with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

I understand that this is hard for you to grasp from these verses as they do not say "GOD SAVES BY HIS GRACE". Your apparent lack of understanding of scripture is astounding.

To quote you "All these verses prove that God saves by grace alone.
The fact that you will not acknowledge God's word on your behalf is very revealing."

You quote the verses that I posted and say they prove God saves by grace and then say I do not acknowledge that God saves by grace. Do you actually read what you write before you post it. Or can you just not accept that what I posted is true, man has to believe before God saves them by His grace?

 

Whats the strawman? You keep using a bible written for children. Is that not true?

 

It's not true. Your comment is a strawman. It shows me that you have no legitimate argument and cannot defend your position.

 

To quote the Princess Bride, "You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means."

The verses you quote all support my position and condemn your view. You don't realize this because you don't read the entire Bible. You pick a sentence from one spot and a sentence from another in order to artificially conjure up a humanist philosophy you embrace.
Read all the passages from which you quote a sentence and realize your humanism is contrary to the text.