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Featured Two-fold curse of Genesis 3:16

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by taisto, Dec 17, 2023.

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  1. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    The day I have to make my point by

    1.) switching out God's Words for mine,

    2.) Repeatedly reiterating that my words are the Words of God in the Bible,

    and 3.) That I switch out the words in the KJV to my words, to prove my words are in Genesis 3:16,

    is the day I admit to expressing a Three-fold supernatural worship.
    ...

    1.) switching out God's Words for yours;

    You represent God as having spoken a "Two-fold curse in Genesis 3:16" and yet you switch out God's Words with your words;
    What God states in the Bible that have to do with His curses is in Genesis 3:16;
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    2.) Repeatedly reiterating that your words are the Words of God in the Bible,

     
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  2. taisto

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    I quoted the Bible. No switching has been done. You are losing credibility with your accusations.
     
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    I enjoy examining the structure of the Hebrew Scriptures.
    There are times that it helps to bring focus upon difficult passages.
    The late David Dorsey's book helps to define the various chiastic structures used by the biblical authors.


    6.1 Humankind’s first sin (Genesis 2:4–3:24)

    a creation of man: his happy relationship with the earth and his home in the garden, where he has freely growing food and access to the tree of life (2:4–17)
    b creation of woman: her happy relationship with man (2:18–25)
    c serpent, in conversation with woman, tempts her (3:1–5)
    d CENTER: the sin and God’s uncovering of it (3:6–13)
    c′ punishment of serpent: its spoiled relationship with woman (3:14–15)​
    b′ punishment of woman: her spoiled relationship with man (3:16)​
    a′ punishment of man: his spoiled relationship with the earth and expulsion from his home in the garden; he will now have to toil to secure food and will no longer have access to the tree of life (3:17–24)

    David A. Dorsey, The Literary Structure of the Old Testament: A Commentary on Genesis–Malachi (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2004), 50.​

    Hope this helps.

    Rob
     
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    I have not looked at chiastic structures in the biblical text but from what you have shown it looks rather interesting. I do not have the logos software so will have to do the google thing and see if I can find some resources online.
     
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  5. taisto

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    Rob, my argument regarding the last curse on Eve is that men would become dominating, authoritarians, who abuse women.

    Adam, had been passive and didn't fight for Eve by crushing the serpents head. Now man would be aggressive in mistreating women.

    The evidence of this can be seen in the unsaved world. (And sadly, we can sometimes see it in the church.)
     
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    That’s so fake.

    No man is cursed to be abusive toward women. Many men choose to be that way, but that is not a curse that God put on any man. The man, who is stronger than a woman, is to protect and provide for the women and children, who are weaker.

    The woman is supposed to be submitted to her husband as the church is to Christ, but he is not to be abusive to her any more than Christ is abusive to the church, and He is not!
     
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    Well, Adam wasn't abusive or dominating over Eve, yet today we see many abusive men. This is a curse due to sin.

    Now, both women and men can choose to go against their sinful nature, but it doesn't mean that sin isn't lurking to cause men to be abusive.

    Christ is the key to reversing the curse. Paul tells men and women what God's expectation is for them in relationship to each other. This is an order that is drawing us back to the garden.
     
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    It’s not a curse. It’s a choice.

    A curse is not a choice.

    Men love darkness because their deeds are evil. They choose to be that way; they are not forced.

    Joshua put a curse on whoever would rebuild Jericho, and it happened, but not by the choice of the man who suffered the effects of the curse.

    If we see a “curse” in Genesis 3, it is one curse—all humanity born from Adam are cursed to be sinners, and all in Adam die, which is why the Lord Jesus had to be virgin-born, not a child of Adam.
     
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    Well, God said to woman that man would rule over her (dominate her) and it is precisely because of the fall. So, it's a curse due to a broken covenant. It also means that men, by nature were going to be driven to fight and dominate, not only women, but other men. Such prideful attempts at dominance are the result of sin now being very active in the human heart.
     
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    Thread closed as OP is banned
     
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