Two-fold curse of Genesis 3:16

[Alan Gross]

I have made my point. I see no need to keep reiterating it over and over again

The day I have to make my point by

1.) switching out God's Words for mine,

2.) Repeatedly reiterating that my words are the Words of God in the Bible,

and 3.) That I switch out the words in the KJV to my words, to prove my words are in Genesis 3:16,

is the day I admit to expressing a Three-fold supernatural worship.
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1.) switching out God's Words for yours;

You represent God as having spoken a "Two-fold curse in Genesis 3:16" and yet you switch out God's Words with your words;

Curse on woman: Pain in child birth and the desire to rule over a man.

Curse on man: The abusive rule over woman.

What God states in the Bible that have to do with His curses is in Genesis 3:16;

God told the woman three things:

1) I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children

2) thy desire shall be to thy husband

3) he shall rule over thee.

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2.) Repeatedly reiterating that your words are the Words of God in the Bible,

They are right there in Genesis 3:16.

In this verse, there is a curse on the woman and it reveals the curse that is upon Adam. Men, from that moment forth, would use their physical dominance to mistreat women.

Adam was now going to fight with her and be tempted to be an authoritarian ruler with abusive tendencies.

It is a curse on the woman to have her husband go from loving her to now dominating her. It is a terrible curse and both Eve and Adam know this. Adam's male offspring were going to, because of their sin nature, dominate and abuse women.

In this situation it seems to me that you are attempting to pick a nit.[/QUOTE]

Go ahead and call them anything you wish. You are not God and your opinions are strictly your own.

You are picking a nit.

You can nitpick the translation to heaven as your excuse. But, nitpicking is simply your opinion and nothing more.

Alan, I have no idea how you so misunderstand.

I have no idea how you got all twisted.

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3.) switching out the words in the KJV to your words, to prove your words are in Genesis 3:16,

(KJV)
Then he said to the woman,“I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy,and in pain you will give birth.And you will desire to control your husband,but he will rule over you.”

When the actual words of God in the KJV are:

I quoted the KJV using the Bible Gateway app. I don't apologize for them. The text identifies God as the speaker.
(Genesis 3:16)
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

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What I find disingenuous from you is your open accusations that I am lying. Such an accusation is false. I have not lied. You may disagree, and you have every right to hold a different view, but don't tell me and others that I am lying. That is false.

Even now when you were forced to go back and change most of it*, when you 1.) switch out God's Words for yours,

2.) Repeatedly reiterating that your words are the Words of God in the Bible,

and 3.) switch out the words in the KJV to your words, to prove your words are in Genesis 3:16,

don't tell me I'm the one that is twisted.

*you still have The Holy God of the Universe instructing Adam that it is God's Will for him and man, now, by His Determination and Judgment on Adam's sin, to go be an authoritarian ruler with abusive tendencies and use their physical dominance to mistreat women, as He Commands by His Curse on man: The abusive rule over woman.

God did not Command and Indoctrinate
by Proclamation of His Curse for women to now
desire to rule over a man,

God did not Command and Indoctrinate
by Proclamation of His Curse for men to now have
the abusive rule over woman.

You tried though, expressing a Three-fold supernatural worship.

 

[taisto]

The day I have to make my point by

1.) switching out God's Words for mine,

2.) Repeatedly reiterating that my words are the Words of God in the Bible,

and 3.) That I switch out the words in the KJV to my words, to prove my words are in Genesis 3:16,

is the day I admit to expressing a Three-fold supernatural worship.
...

1.) switching out God's Words for yours;

You represent God as having spoken a "Two-fold curse in Genesis 3:16" and yet you switch out God's Words with your words;


What God states in the Bible that have to do with His curses is in Genesis 3:16;

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2.) Repeatedly reiterating that your words are the Words of God in the Bible,

I quoted the Bible. No switching has been done. You are losing credibility with your accusations.

 

[Deacon]

I enjoy examining the structure of the Hebrew Scriptures.
There are times that it helps to bring focus upon difficult passages.
The late David Dorsey's book helps to define the various chiastic structures used by the biblical authors.

6.1 Humankind’s first sin (Genesis 2:4–3:24)

a creation of man: his happy relationship with the earth and his home in the garden, where he has freely growing food and access to the tree of life (2:4–17)

b creation of woman: her happy relationship with man (2:18–25)

c serpent, in conversation with woman, tempts her (3:1–5)

d CENTER: the sin and God’s uncovering of it (3:6–13)​

c′ punishment of serpent: its spoiled relationship with woman (3:14–15)​

b′ punishment of woman: her spoiled relationship with man (3:16)​

a′ punishment of man: his spoiled relationship with the earth and expulsion from his home in the garden; he will now have to toil to secure food and will no longer have access to the tree of life (3:17–24)

David A. Dorsey, The Literary Structure of the Old Testament: A Commentary on Genesis–Malachi (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2004), 50.​

Hope this helps.

Rob

 

[Silverhair]

I enjoy examining the structure of the Hebrew Scriptures.
There are times that it helps to bring focus upon difficult passages.
The late David Dorsey's book helps to define the various chiastic structures used by the biblical authors.

6.1 Humankind’s first sin (Genesis 2:4–3:24)

a creation of man: his happy relationship with the earth and his home in the garden, where he has freely growing food and access to the tree of life (2:4–17)

b creation of woman: her happy relationship with man (2:18–25)

c serpent, in conversation with woman, tempts her (3:1–5)

d CENTER: the sin and God’s uncovering of it (3:6–13)​

c′ punishment of serpent: its spoiled relationship with woman (3:14–15)​

b′ punishment of woman: her spoiled relationship with man (3:16)​

a′ punishment of man: his spoiled relationship with the earth and expulsion from his home in the garden; he will now have to toil to secure food and will no longer have access to the tree of life (3:17–24)

David A. Dorsey, The Literary Structure of the Old Testament: A Commentary on Genesis–Malachi (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2004), 50.​

Hope this helps.

Rob

I have not looked at chiastic structures in the biblical text but from what you have shown it looks rather interesting. I do not have the logos software so will have to do the google thing and see if I can find some resources online.

 

[taisto]

I enjoy examining the structure of the Hebrew Scriptures.
There are times that it helps to bring focus upon difficult passages.
The late David Dorsey's book helps to define the various chiastic structures used by the biblical authors.

6.1 Humankind’s first sin (Genesis 2:4–3:24)

a creation of man: his happy relationship with the earth and his home in the garden, where he has freely growing food and access to the tree of life (2:4–17)

b creation of woman: her happy relationship with man (2:18–25)

c serpent, in conversation with woman, tempts her (3:1–5)

d CENTER: the sin and God’s uncovering of it (3:6–13)​

c′ punishment of serpent: its spoiled relationship with woman (3:14–15)​

b′ punishment of woman: her spoiled relationship with man (3:16)​

a′ punishment of man: his spoiled relationship with the earth and expulsion from his home in the garden; he will now have to toil to secure food and will no longer have access to the tree of life (3:17–24)

David A. Dorsey, The Literary Structure of the Old Testament: A Commentary on Genesis–Malachi (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2004), 50.​

Hope this helps.

Rob

Rob, my argument regarding the last curse on Eve is that men would become dominating, authoritarians, who abuse women.

Adam, had been passive and didn't fight for Eve by crushing the serpents head. Now man would be aggressive in mistreating women.

The evidence of this can be seen in the unsaved world. (And sadly, we can sometimes see it in the church.)

 

[MrW]

That’s so fake.

No man is cursed to be abusive toward women. Many men choose to be that way, but that is not a curse that God put on any man. The man, who is stronger than a woman, is to protect and provide for the women and children, who are weaker.

The woman is supposed to be submitted to her husband as the church is to Christ, but he is not to be abusive to her any more than Christ is abusive to the church, and He is not!

 

[taisto]

That’s so fake.

No man is cursed to be abusive toward women. Many men choose to be that way, but that is not a curse that God put on any man. The man, who is stronger than a woman, is to protect and provide for the women and children, who are weaker.

The woman is supposed to be submitted to her husband as the church is to Christ, but he is not to be abusive to her any more than Christ is abusive to the church, and He is not!

Well, Adam wasn't abusive or dominating over Eve, yet today we see many abusive men. This is a curse due to sin.

Now, both women and men can choose to go against their sinful nature, but it doesn't mean that sin isn't lurking to cause men to be abusive.

Christ is the key to reversing the curse. Paul tells men and women what God's expectation is for them in relationship to each other. This is an order that is drawing us back to the garden.

 

[MrW]

It’s not a curse. It’s a choice.

A curse is not a choice.

Men love darkness because their deeds are evil. They choose to be that way; they are not forced.

Joshua put a curse on whoever would rebuild Jericho, and it happened, but not by the choice of the man who suffered the effects of the curse.

If we see a “curse” in Genesis 3, it is one curse—all humanity born from Adam are cursed to be sinners, and all in Adam die, which is why the Lord Jesus had to be virgin-born, not a child of Adam.

 

[taisto]

It’s not a curse. It’s a choice.

A curse is not a choice.

Men love darkness because their deeds are evil. They choose to be that way; they are not forced.

Joshua put a curse on whoever would rebuild Jericho, and it happened, but not by the choice of the man who suffered the effects of the curse.

If we see a “curse” in Genesis 3, it is one curse—all humanity born from Adam are cursed to be sinners, and all in Adam die, which is why the Lord Jesus had to be virgin-born, not a child of Adam.

Well, God said to woman that man would rule over her (dominate her) and it is precisely because of the fall. So, it's a curse due to a broken covenant. It also means that men, by nature were going to be driven to fight and dominate, not only women, but other men. Such prideful attempts at dominance are the result of sin now being very active in the human heart.

 

[JonC]

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