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POTUS Age limits

JonC

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This is one example that may illustrate the issue.

Had it been Biden the Trump supporters would be pointing out (we know this because it has often been Biden).


Now, just like with Biden, Trump's devotees will certainly come up with a "reasonable" explanation Trump said that Nikki Haley was in charge of security and he offered her 10,000 people to include the National Guard.

FYI, Haley was not in office on Jan 6. She was not in charge of security. Trump did not offer her troops to defend the Capitol.

What happens when Trump has a few more years on him and a lot more pressure. If he can't keep it together during an election then how can he keep it together as President? He'd just be a Biden under a different party.
 

CJP69

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I don't vote....but when I do...:Biggrin

I did vote for Trump. But I no longer vote. The reason has nothing to do with Trump but personal convictions I wrestled with long before the past several elections.

I voted even though I was convicted not to participate in politics (it was wrong of me, a sin, because I was acting against my convictions).
You're not the first I've encountered who has voiced a similar, "don't participate in politics" sentiment. None of them have ever offered me a single syllable of biblical thinking to justify it. It seems to me to be a contradiction. Your decision not to vote is a political decision. Your minority voice kept silent is a benefit to the majority, is it not? If they paid someone to silence you by force you would count it an injury but you silencing yourself makes you a volunteer member of their brute squad.

How am I wrong?
 

CJP69

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This is one example that may illustrate the issue.

Had it been Biden the Trump supporters would be pointing out (we know this because it has often been Biden).


Now, just like with Biden, Trump's devotees will certainly come up with a "reasonable" explanation Trump said that Nikki Haley was in charge of security and he offered her 10,000 people to include the National Guard.

FYI, Haley was not in office on Jan 6. She was not in charge of security. Trump did not offer her troops to defend the Capitol.

What happens when Trump has a few more years on him and a lot more pressure. If he can't keep it together during an election then how can he keep it together as President? He'd just be a Biden under a different party.
This is a joke. A misspoken name is not any sort of sign of a cognitive disorder!

Trump does not have even the slightest symptoms of anything remotely resembling any sort of cognitive decline, nor, at his age, is he ever likely to do so. Only about one third of people over 85 have dementia (i.e. cognitive decline significant enough to effect daily life) and he's already 77 with not a single symptom.
 

Plavious

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I love American because they always want to improve. America is like the symbol of reconciliation, peace and justice.
I wish I were American.
 

Van

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Artificial restrictions sometimes provide risk reduction, but too many simply provide a glass ceiling for those on the outside looking in.

Consider the deaths related to the two 737 Max crashes. The AOA software had been approved by multiple people "qualified" by their degree, but lacking in competence.

The actual problem is that our information system did not inform the voting public that Mr. Biden was a thug, and that the charges against Mr. Trump were falsehoods used by those willing to mislead the voters.
 

JonC

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You're not the first I've encountered who has voiced a similar, "don't participate in politics" sentiment. None of them have ever offered me a single syllable of biblical thinking to justify it. It seems to me to be a contradiction. Your decision not to vote is a political decision. Your minority voice kept silent is a benefit to the majority, is it not? If they paid someone to silence you by force you would count it an injury but you silencing yourself makes you a volunteer member of their brute squad.

How am I wrong?
It is interesting that Christians did not participate in politics until the Catholic Church (until Rome secularized Christianity).

If you want a defence then read the Early Church writings on their justification for abstaining from politics.

How are you wrong?

Biblically.
Christians who suggest other believers should act against their conscious commit a sin against God.

Cognitively
I actually like politics. My decision to vote is in no way a political decision. It is purely on religious grounds and personal conviction.

Logically
Abstaining from voting is not voting for the majority. That is a logical fallacy. It is simply not supporting either side.

An interesting thing you being up is that you believe your political party constitutes the minority, yet you somehow think that the majority has to cheat to win in an election.

Your logic does not work

Also, you confuse not voting as being silent. While I will not vote on religious conviction others don't because they hold the system does not represent their interest.

Currently if all non-voters decided to cast a vote against Trump, against Biden, and for some no-name dude then the no-name dude would win the election. More eligible voters refrain from voting than cast a vote on a particular side (66% of eligible voters vote....less if Trump was right).

That means there is a voice given those who abstain. It is a clear rejection of both parties.
 

JonC

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This is a joke. A misspoken name is not any sort of sign of a cognitive disorder!

Trump does not have even the slightest symptoms of anything remotely resembling any sort of cognitive decline, nor, at his age, is he ever likely to do so. Only about one third of people over 85 have dementia (i.e. cognitive decline significant enough to effect daily life) and he's already 77 with not a single symptom.
A misspoken name is a sign of decline if Biden.

And it wasn't a misspoken name. Trump said "Nikki Haley" four times in that statement blaming her for allowing the Jan 6 riots.

Then he defended his confusion by stating that it is a difference without distinction.

Trump is slipping. That doesn't mean he is worse off than others his age.

But since Trump confuses Nikki Haley with being in charge of security on Jam 6, what happens when he has to make big decisions? He seems to be getting confused a little too often these days (this was the 3rd time within 4 months).

Like I said, his sheeple will jump in to defend him, but they merely look foolish. I hope the best for Trump. His family should talk to him about running. If they allow him to run it is elder abuse.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I saw that interview live. Trump didn't say anything similar to "drink Clorox". But, I'd be willing to be bet you already knew that though when you said that little gem of intellectually honesty, didn't you?
Did you? Then why aren’t you correcting my statement with the actual one? Anyway I went back into the records and he suggested injections into the body a disinfectant. :Laugh
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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A misspoken name is a sign of decline if Biden.

And it wasn't a misspoken name. Trump said "Nikki Haley" four times in that statement blaming her for allowing the Jan 6 riots.

Then he defended his confusion by stating that it is a difference without distinction.

Trump is slipping. That doesn't mean he is worse off than others his age.

But since Trump confuses Nikki Haley with being in charge of security on Jam 6, what happens when he has to make big decisions? He seems to be getting confused a little too often these days (this was the 3rd time within 4 months).

Like I said, his sheeple will jump in to defend him, but they merely look foolish. I hope the best for Trump. His family should talk to him about running. If they allow him to run it is elder abuse.
:Laugh… did you mention the Depends undies. I’ve been told there are days his staff stands down wind of him :Sick
 

tyndale1946

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I'm just going to say it, not that I agree with it, those say limit the age of Potus and I believe that is well and good... But in doing that you have opened another can of worms... Since we have seen the effects of the male Potus and men like us seem to meet our maker sooner overall, so don't be squirming in your seats if I put it out there but what of a female Potus?... Is that going to be brought to the table?... Is that talk on the horizon?... I'm not into politics, but its something to think about... Brother Glen:)
 

canadyjd

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It is interesting that Christians did not participate in politics until the Catholic Church (until Rome secularized Christianity). ….
Well, I guess they were too busy being thrown to the lions for slaughter to take the time to vote.

You really find the fact that a group of people undergoing periods of intense persecution didn’t get involved in politics? Was Roman politics similar at all to our politics today? Was politics in Rome after the Catholic Church secularized Christianity similar to our politics today.

Christians have debated involvement in government affairs, especially military service, throughout history.

peace to you
 

canadyjd

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A misspoken name is a sign of decline if Biden……

(DT)… He seems to be getting confused a little too often these days (this was the 3rd time within 4 months)...
Politicians misspeak on occasion. DT is no exception. (3rd time in 4 months)?

If you compare to B:den, nearly every time he speaks, and it’s not just referring to his VP (Harris) as President… but there are many…

… like when he went to a rally for the purpose of honoring a congresswoman that had died, and then started looking for her in the audience… that is a whole new level of mental decline…

I think DT is a genius. He has no significant mental decline. He is sharper today than any POTUS that has ever held office. He has been and will be the beat POTUS ever to serve. Because he is so humble, I even think he’d make a great dictator.

peace to you
 

JonC

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Well, I guess they were too busy being thrown to the lions for slaughter to take the time to vote.

You really find the fact that a group of people undergoing periods of intense persecution didn’t get involved in politics? Was Roman politics similar at all to our politics today? Was politics in Rome after the Catholic Church secularized Christianity similar to our politics today.

Christians have debated involvement in government affairs, especially military service, throughout history.

peace to you
At one point, yes.

The Early Church argued against holding office, against voting (they could vote for certain offices) and for serving in the military.

In 248 AD the pagans argued the position that CPJ69 is now arguing. Christians were not good citizens because they did not serve in the military, they would not vote in Senate elections, they would not hold office but they abstained entirely from political involvement. The counter argument was that Christians do hold office, fight, lead, but just not in a secular sense because they are of another kingdom.
 

JonC

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Politicians misspeak on occasion. DT is no exception. (3rd time in 4 months)?

If you compare to B:den, nearly every time he speaks, and it’s not just referring to his VP (Harris) as President… but there are many…

… like when he went to a rally for the purpose of honoring a congresswoman that had died, and then started looking for her in the audience… that is a whole new level of mental decline…

I think DT is a genius. He has no significant mental decline. He is sharper today than any POTUS that has ever held office. He has been and will be the beat POTUS ever to serve. Because he is so humble, I even think he’d make a great dictator.

peace to you
It isn't the misspeaking. It is using her name four times while saying she was in charge of security during Jan 6, he talked to her and offered her national guard soldiers, etc. that is not misspeaking. The greater issue is his explanation that it wasn't a distinction without a difference. And these instances are occurring more often.

Trump is declining like many of us will. He gets confused, a little, and he gets fixated on things a bit. I noticed this in his debate before the last election. This is normal aging. But it is a decline.

I would have no issue should Trump win. He is a bit confused, but so is Biden. I like Trump's policies. I would rather have a POTUS with better character, but hey....Trump is a funny guy.

I just hate to have to watch him decline. I believe it is wrong if his family just as it is of Biden's.
 

canadyjd

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It isn't the misspeaking. It is using her name four times while saying she was in charge of security during Jan 6, he talked to her and offered her national guard soldiers, etc. that is not misspeaking. The greater issue is his explanation that it wasn't a distinction without a difference. And these instances are occurring more often.

Trump is declining like many of us will. He gets confused, a little, and he gets fixated on things a bit. I noticed this in his debate before the last election. This is normal aging. But it is a decline.

I would have no issue should Trump win. He is a bit confused, but so is Biden. I like Trump's policies. I would rather have a POTUS with better character, but hey....Trump is a funny guy.

I just hate to have to watch him decline. I believe it is wrong if his family just as it is of Biden's.
Again, you consistently speak of DT’s mental “decline” as if it were at the same level as B:den. It is clearly not. B:den has obvious pronounced mental decline. As you said, DT has a “little”.

DT will continue to serve this country with distinction and honor as POTUS. He will put America first, American taxpayers first and He will be a great POTUS… AGAIN.

I just saw were DeSantis has faced reality and suspended his campaign. After Tuesday, a very probable humiliating defeat for Haily, I suspect DT will continue to cruise with no serious opposition.

Truthfully, there never was serious opposition.

peace to you
 

JonC

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Again, you consistently speak of DT’s mental “decline” as if it were at the same level as B:den. It is clearly not. B:den has obvious pronounced mental decline. As you said, DT has a “little”.

DT will continue to serve this country with distinction and honor as POTUS. He will put America first, American taxpayers first and He will be a great POTUS… AGAIN.

I just saw were DeSantis has faced reality and suspended his campaign. After Tuesday, a very probable humiliating defeat for Haily, I suspect DT will continue to cruise with no serious opposition.

Truthfully, there never was serious opposition.

peace to you
You mistake me.

Trump at 77 may be on par with Biden at 77, but Biden declined very quickly once in office.

I never intended that compare the two. I was simply saying that Trump today is not the Trump 8 years ago. I wish he were.
 

canadyjd

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You mistake me.

Trump at 77 may be on par with Biden at 77, but Biden declined very quickly once in office.

I never intended that compare the two. I was simply saying that Trump today is not the Trump 8 years ago. I wish he were.
DT today seems more subdued. He may have realized the importance being “presidential” at all times.

The next few months are going to be very interesting.

peace to you
 

CJP69

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It is interesting that Christians did not participate in politics until the Catholic Church (until Rome secularized Christianity).

If you want a defense then read the Early Church writings on their justification for abstaining from politics.
I'm not THAT interested. Besides, none of them lived in an even partial democracy where they were ever asked to cast a vote and so participation in their kind of politics would have been substantially different than what we are dealing with here in America.

How are you wrong?

Biblically.
Christians who suggest other believers should act against their conscious commit a sin against God.
This is not in dispute and so has nothing to do with why I am or am not wrong. The question is whether the reasoning that is directing your conscience is valid.

Cognitively
I actually like politics. My decision to vote is in no way a political decision. It is purely on religious grounds and personal conviction.
Refusing to vote is a political act, by definition. If you think it has no political impact, you need to think again.

Logically
Abstaining from voting is not voting for the majority. That is a logical fallacy. It is simply not supporting either side.
Saying it doesn't make it so. To see the falsehood of your claim here all one need do is to extrapolate it out. Would the democrats like it if all the Christians agreed with you and stayed at home on election day? Of course, they would love it! That would be millions upon millions of votes that they don't have to counter.

An interesting thing you being up is that you believe your political party constitutes the minority, yet you somehow think that the majority has to cheat to win in an election.
I didn't say a word about any political party. I know for a fact, however, that the Christian worldview is very much in the minority. Those who understand what justice is are very much in the minority. Those who understand that the government has no right to educate children are very much in the minority. And there a giant list of issues where the dividing line between majority and minority is razor thin in this country right now.

Your logic does not work
It's too bad that you've chosen to ignore my logic and instead of actually refuting it, simply declare out of whole clothe that it "does not work" as if you get to declare such things by fiat.

Also, you confuse not voting as being silent.
In the context of voting, not showing up to vote is being silent, by definition.

While I will not vote on religious conviction others don't because they hold the system does not represent their interest.
Again, I have yet, in twenty plus years of discussing this in various contexts, to ever have anyone present to me a single syllable of evidence that such a mindset make any sense whatsoever.

Currently if all non-voters decided to cast a vote against Trump, against Biden, and for some no-name dude then the no-name dude would win the election. More eligible voters refrain from voting than cast a vote on a particular side (66% of eligible voters vote....less if Trump was right).
Irrelevant to the point. We aren't talking about people who don't vote because they're too lazy or some other mindless reason. We're talking about people who intentionally refuse to vote for religious, presumably Christian, reasons.

That means there is a voice given those who abstain. It is a clear rejection of both parties.
And such abstinence greases the wheels of the majority. There's nothing a wanta-be tyrant would love more than for you to stay home on election day. The most evil candidate is the only one who can and does benefit by your non-vote.

Further, the system in America has a specific mechanism in place that allows the minority, even a very small minority, to have a voice. It's called "Primary Elections". During the primary, there are a great deal more people who run, especially in local races and people are encouraged to vote for the candidate that most closely voices the positions with which they agree. In such elections, Christian are almost certain to lose but that's because they aren't collectively smart enough to vote for the most righteous candidate but have instead been convinced to vote for whomever they think can win in the general election. If they'd drop that thinking, we'd win almost every time. Regardless of that, once the primary election is over, our personal opinions are more or less out the window and it just becomes an issue about fighting against evil. It become a mission to make is as hard as possible for someone to take power who has the intention of taking away your rights. And the primary weapon we have in the fight to preserve our rights and the rights of our neighbors is casting a vote against the worst of what is almost always two evils.

Anything else is just being a tacit ally if the worst evil and hastening the corrosion of liberty and justice.

When the righteous remain silent, Satan gets to take a holiday.
 

CJP69

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A misspoken name is a sign of decline if Biden.
No it isn't, Jon. Do you not have any discernment at all?

And it wasn't a misspoken name. Trump said "Nikki Haley" four times in that statement blaming her for allowing the Jan 6 riots.
I saw the speech live and yes it was a misspoken name. I even said out loud to my wife that he means Nancy Pelosi.

A name by the way that both starts and ends with the same sounds.

This isn't evidence of anything other than that he had Nikki foremost on his mind at the time.

Then he defended his confusion by stating that it is a difference without distinction.
Which was a clever insult to both women, an insult that no one with mental decline issues could have ever come up with off the top of his head like that.

Trump is slipping. That doesn't mean he is worse off than others his age.
He isn't. This is just wishful thinking and confirmation bias on your part.

But since Trump confuses Nikki Haley with being in charge of security on Jam 6, what happens when he has to make big decisions? He seems to be getting confused a little too often these days (this was the 3rd time within 4 months).

Like I said, his sheeple will jump in to defend him, but they merely look foolish. I hope the best for Trump. His family should talk to him about running. If they allow him to run it is elder abuse.
Nonsense.

By the way, how is having this conversation less morally egregious to you than voting?
 

CJP69

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Did you? Then why aren’t you correcting my statement with the actual one? Anyway I went back into the records and he suggested injections into the body a disinfectant. :Laugh
It was more than two years ago. I did watch the press conference were this comment was made and no, he was not making a serious suggestion of injecting such things.

You people are impossible. You just believe whatever you feel like believing. It doesn't matter if it's doctrine or politics! The only evidence that anyone on this site is even a Christian is the fact that they call themselves Baptists and mention the bible from time to time.

I feel, filthy!

Good bye!
 
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