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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JonC, Jan 18, 2024.

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  1. tyndale1946

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    God works by purpose!... HIS!... Brother Glen:)

    Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

    10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

    Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
     
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    The Prophet Jonah was sent by God to Nineveh, who were very wicked and sinful and GENTILES!

    Yet God cared enough for them to warn them of coming disaster and invite them to be saved

    A poke in the eyes for the loveless and hard Calvinist
     
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    Right on!
     
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    Hardly… anyway this happened before Christ. Man, you keep crashing into walls :Laugh Oh btw, I’m not a Calvinist if that’s what you are implying. We are Primitive Baptists and we are very loving folks :D:Tongue
     
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    Jesus was specific about who He died for in Jn 10, and goats aren't Sheep.
     
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    I disagree. His resurrection is the climax of His incarnation.

    peace to you
     
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    God “saved” the people of Nineveh for His purpose. This city became a major center of power in the Assyrian Nation. A couple hundred years after Jonah, God used the Assyrian nation to completely wipe out the northern 10 tribes of Israel.

    No where in the book of Jonah does it say the Assyrians become worshippers of the God of Israel; A poke in the eye to those who think this proves the doctrines of grace to be error.

    They weren’t “saved eternally”. They were saved from God’s immediate destruction, which was part of His plan to use them to punish Israel for their sins against Him. (Another poke in the eye to those who hate the doctrines of Grace)

    peace to you
     
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    Read the end of chapters 3 and 4 and let the Holy Spirit teach you His Truth and not as a so called reformed person! Read what Jesus Christ says in the Gospels about them repenting of their sins.

    Stop trying to TWIST the Infallible Word of God to suit your silly purposes

    This is a kick in the stomach!
     
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    Just my opinion, but I think HIS incarnation was the climax of HIS incarnation. After GOD somehow sets aside deity to become a man … everything else seems easy (painful, but less “impossible”).
     
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    Read it many times. I understand it pretty well, though I am always open to be enlightened by My God Holy Spirit.

    I always approach scripture as a sinner seeking understanding from God. I bring no preconceived notions or doctrine to my study.

    I believe what it says. I also understand the historical context of Nineveh, which you have not denied because it is truth. Instead, you respond with personal attacks, accusing me of twisting God’s Word. Utter nonsense.

    BTW, Christ’s reference to Nineveh in Matthew is NOT that they won’t suffer punishment. It is their punishment will be less than those Jewish leaders that rejected His teaching. Read it again and allow God Holy Spirit to guide you without bringing preconceived doctrine to the text.

    peace to you
     
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    That doesn’t make sense to me.

    However, saying the incarnation is the climax of God’s revelation of Himself to us (Hebrews 1), then I agree.

    Thanks for the comment.

    peace to you
     
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    I think it depends on the context, but I also thought (and almost posted that) as well.

    In terms of reconciliation, I'd place the climax at Christ's death (the fate of all men). But in terms of our salvation, you are absolutely right - our hope is in the resurrection.
     
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    I always knew we agreed more than not.

    peace to you
     
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    God setting aside His Deity in Jesus Christ is UNBIBLICAL HERESY!

    How can God ever cease to be GOD?

    Your theology is truly warped in many ways
     
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    Interesting thinking process! But let’s look at initial (time and place purpose) which is critical to Gods connecting to man)..that is incarnation, Christ becoming human. Next we have Christs interactions with man via teaching, the Sermons ( famous sermon on the mount) etc. Then the suffering, which is a painful reality to interaction with man… some would say the devil. Last death and resurrection which is the culmination of Christs plan of salvation.
     
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    You could stand to be a little nicer in your character and delivery. The full intention of God becoming Man (the Son of Man) is to have a God/Human integration. So if He wanted to, He could have appeared out of the blue as the Jewish Messiah, God retaliating against the Romans. The Jews would have accepted that…. But He didn’t
    Instead a humble infant from a poor family hardly recognized by even his own. That’s Gods choice

    And so it’s later revealed that there is something quite different about this Jesus and it generally takes time to recognize His true identity— The Christ! But saver the moments of development.
     
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    There are no goats in the gospel of John. The word does not appear in his gospel. You see something that is not there.
     
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    Glory hallelujah, someone on the BB 'gets it'.
     
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    Yet another "taint so" post presenting obvious falsehood.

    2 Peter 2:1 says (NASB)

    But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. ​

    The Master is Christ Jesus, and He bought those heading for "swift destruction" by dying on the cross.
     
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    Did Christ die for all those to be saved and all those never to be saved? Yes 2 Peter 2:1

    Did His death provide the propitiation or means of reconciliation for the whole world, all humanity? Yes 1 John 2:2

    Does His death provide actual, literal salvation for each and every person God gives (transfers into) Christ? Yes John 6:37

    Pretty simple really
     
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