Christ died for all man

[tyndale1946]

Again, answer the question, Does God work by "chance" or by "purpose"?

God works by purpose!... HIS!... Brother Glen

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Responding to the statement I have underlined.

Do you feel at least a little foolish making a statement about the goats when the text you reference does not have any goats in it.? Does anyone reading your comments notice you have added to the text? Do they care? My guess is probably some, but not all.

There are no goats in the sheepfold. There are only sheep. Not all the sheep are of the fold of Jesus Christ, the shepherd. But they are all sheep. Those sheep whom the father has given him are his sheep now. The remaining sheep are the Father's. But they are all sheep!

The sheep are the the members of Abraham's family through Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel by God.

Here is what happened to the sheep before Jesus came.God is blaming the shepherds for the problem with his sheep.

Jeremiah 50:17

Jeremiah 50:6
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

Ezekiel 34:2
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

Here is the good Shepherd of Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ;

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

The Lord is not like those other shepherds of Israel, as you can see.

Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mt 10:1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The metaphors of God are precise. The metaphor for ones who are in the house (family) of Israel is "sheep." I challenge anyone to find in scripture where gentiles are named sheep. Paul the apostle of the Lord wrote 13 letters addressed to gentiles and explained the church that God is forming in this age after the cross and while Israel is scattered into all the nations, and he does not mention the gentiles as being sheep a single time in his books. Why? Because sheep is not the metaphor for gentiles. Dog is the metaphor for gentiles.

The ministry of God to gentiles is after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the savior of all men.

Mt 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

John 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
20 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me (into death of himself); and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

The Prophet Jonah was sent by God to Nineveh, who were very wicked and sinful and GENTILES!

Yet God cared enough for them to warn them of coming disaster and invite them to be saved

A poke in the eyes for the loveless and hard Calvinist

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

God works by purpose!... HIS!... Brother Glen

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Right on!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Prophet Jonah was sent by God to Nineveh, who were very wicked and sinful and GENTILES!

Yet God cared enough for them to warn them of coming disaster and invite them to be saved

A poke in the eyes for the loveless and hard Calvinist

Hardly… anyway this happened before Christ. Man, you keep crashing into walls Oh btw, I’m not a Calvinist if that’s what you are implying. We are Primitive Baptists and we are very loving folks

 

[Brightfame52]

Responding to the statement I have underlined.

Do you feel at least a little foolish making a statement about the goats when the text you reference does not have any goats in it.? Does anyone reading your comments notice you have added to the text? Do they care? My guess is probably some, but not all.

There are no goats in the sheepfold. There are only sheep. Not all the sheep are of the fold of Jesus Christ, the shepherd. But they are all sheep. Those sheep whom the father has given him are his sheep now. The remaining sheep are the Father's. But they are all sheep!

The sheep are the the members of Abraham's family through Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel by God.

Here is what happened to the sheep before Jesus came.God is blaming the shepherds for the problem with his sheep.

Jeremiah 50:17

Jeremiah 50:6
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

Ezekiel 34:2
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

Here is the good Shepherd of Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ;

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

The Lord is not like those other shepherds of Israel, as you can see.

Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mt 10:1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The metaphors of God are precise. The metaphor for ones who are in the house (family) of Israel is "sheep." I challenge anyone to find in scripture where gentiles are named sheep. Paul the apostle of the Lord wrote 13 letters addressed to gentiles and explained the church that God is forming in this age after the cross and while Israel is scattered into all the nations, and he does not mention the gentiles as being sheep a single time in his books. Why? Because sheep is not the metaphor for gentiles. Dog is the metaphor for gentiles.

The ministry of God to gentiles is after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the savior of all men.

Mt 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

John 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
20 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me (into death of himself); and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Jesus was specific about who He died for in Jn 10, and goats aren't Sheep.

 

[canadyjd]

……
We cannot reduce redemption to Christ dying. But His death was the climax of His incarnation….

I disagree. His resurrection is the climax of His incarnation.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

The Prophet Jonah was sent by God to Nineveh, who were very wicked and sinful and GENTILES!

Yet God cared enough for them to warn them of coming disaster and invite them to be saved

A poke in the eyes for the loveless and hard Calvinist

God “saved” the people of Nineveh for His purpose. This city became a major center of power in the Assyrian Nation. A couple hundred years after Jonah, God used the Assyrian nation to completely wipe out the northern 10 tribes of Israel.

No where in the book of Jonah does it say the Assyrians become worshippers of the God of Israel; A poke in the eye to those who think this proves the doctrines of grace to be error.

They weren’t “saved eternally”. They were saved from God’s immediate destruction, which was part of His plan to use them to punish Israel for their sins against Him. (Another poke in the eye to those who hate the doctrines of Grace)

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

God “saved” the people of Nineveh for His purpose. This city became a major center of power in the Assyrian Nation. A couple hundred years after Jonah, God used the Assyrian nation to completely wipe out the northern 10 tribes of Israel.

No where in the book of Jonah does it say the Assyrians become worshippers of the God of Israel; A poke in the eye to those who think this proves the doctrines of grace to be error.

They weren’t “saved eternally”. They were saved from God’s immediate destruction, which was part of His plan to use them to punish Israel for their sins against Him. (Another poke in the eye to those who hate the doctrines of Grace)

peace to you

Read the end of chapters 3 and 4 and let the Holy Spirit teach you His Truth and not as a so called reformed person! Read what Jesus Christ says in the Gospels about them repenting of their sins.

Stop trying to TWIST the Infallible Word of God to suit your silly purposes

This is a kick in the stomach!

 

[atpollard]

I disagree. His resurrection is the climax of His incarnation.

peace to you

Just my opinion, but I think HIS incarnation was the climax of HIS incarnation. After GOD somehow sets aside deity to become a man … everything else seems easy (painful, but less “impossible”).

 

[canadyjd]

Read the end of chapters 3 and 4 and let the Holy Spirit teach you His Truth and not as a so called reformed person! Read what Jesus Christ says in the Gospels about them repenting of their sins.

Stop trying to TWIST the Infallible Word of God to suit your silly purposes

This is a kick in the stomach!

Read it many times. I understand it pretty well, though I am always open to be enlightened by My God Holy Spirit.

I always approach scripture as a sinner seeking understanding from God. I bring no preconceived notions or doctrine to my study.

I believe what it says. I also understand the historical context of Nineveh, which you have not denied because it is truth. Instead, you respond with personal attacks, accusing me of twisting God’s Word. Utter nonsense.

BTW, Christ’s reference to Nineveh in Matthew is NOT that they won’t suffer punishment. It is their punishment will be less than those Jewish leaders that rejected His teaching. Read it again and allow God Holy Spirit to guide you without bringing preconceived doctrine to the text.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Just my opinion, but I think HIS incarnation was the climax of HIS incarnation. After GOD somehow sets aside deity to become a man … everything else seems easy (painful, but less “impossible”).

That doesn’t make sense to me.

However, saying the incarnation is the climax of God’s revelation of Himself to us (Hebrews 1), then I agree.

Thanks for the comment.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

I disagree. His resurrection is the climax of His incarnation.

peace to you

I think it depends on the context, but I also thought (and almost posted that) as well.

In terms of reconciliation, I'd place the climax at Christ's death (the fate of all men). But in terms of our salvation, you are absolutely right - our hope is in the resurrection.

 

[canadyjd]

I think it depends on the context, but I also thought (and almost posted that) as well.

In terms of reconciliation, I'd place the climax at Christ's death (the fate of all men). But in terms of our salvation, you are absolutely right - our hope is in the resurrection.

I always knew we agreed more than not.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

Just my opinion, but I think HIS incarnation was the climax of HIS incarnation. After GOD somehow sets aside deity to become a man … everything else seems easy (painful, but less “impossible”).

God setting aside His Deity in Jesus Christ is UNBIBLICAL HERESY!

How can God ever cease to be GOD?

Your theology is truly warped in many ways

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Just my opinion, but I think HIS incarnation was the climax of HIS incarnation. After GOD somehow sets aside deity to become a man … everything else seems easy (painful, but less “impossible”).

Interesting thinking process! But let’s look at initial (time and place purpose) which is critical to Gods connecting to man)..that is incarnation, Christ becoming human. Next we have Christs interactions with man via teaching, the Sermons ( famous sermon on the mount) etc. Then the suffering, which is a painful reality to interaction with man… some would say the devil. Last death and resurrection which is the culmination of Christs plan of salvation.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

God setting aside His Deity in Jesus Christ is UNBIBLICAL HERESY!

How can God ever cease to be GOD?

Your theology is truly warped in many ways

You could stand to be a little nicer in your character and delivery. The full intention of God becoming Man (the Son of Man) is to have a God/Human integration. So if He wanted to, He could have appeared out of the blue as the Jewish Messiah, God retaliating against the Romans. The Jews would have accepted that…. But He didn’t
Instead a humble infant from a poor family hardly recognized by even his own. That’s Gods choice

And so it’s later revealed that there is something quite different about this Jesus and it generally takes time to recognize His true identity— The Christ! But saver the moments of development.

 

[JD731]

Jesus was specific about who He died for in Jn 10, and goats aren't Sheep.

There are no goats in the gospel of John. The word does not appear in his gospel. You see something that is not there.

 

[kyredneck]

They weren’t “saved eternally”. They were saved from God’s immediate destruction,

Glory hallelujah, someone on the BB 'gets it'.

 

[Van]

2 Pet 2:1 doesnt say Christ died for them, nor does it say He died for them who will never be saved, you are providing a false witness here friend. You should study 2 Pet 2:1, bringing up such a verse you should provide your study research to substantiate such a claim. To say Christ died for people who will never be saved is a serious statement against the Blood of Christ.

Yet another "taint so" post presenting obvious falsehood.

2 Peter 2:1 says (NASB)

But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.​

The Master is Christ Jesus, and He bought those heading for "swift destruction" by dying on the cross.

 

[Van]

Yet another "taint so" post presenting obvious falsehood.

2 Peter 2:1 says (NASB)

But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.​

The Master is Christ Jesus, and He bought those heading for "swift destruction" by dying on the cross.

Did Christ die for all those to be saved and all those never to be saved? Yes 2 Peter 2:1

Did His death provide the propitiation or means of reconciliation for the whole world, all humanity? Yes 1 John 2:2

Does His death provide actual, literal salvation for each and every person God gives (transfers into) Christ? Yes John 6:37

Pretty simple really