On "Throwing Your Vote Away"

I'm "throwing my vote away". Last July, I could not take it anymore and changed my political party from Republican to Independent.

You don't KNOW the Republicans that I know in person. It's all about the god Trump who does no wrong and all about crying out "I'm a Christian" and at the same time hating gay people, anti-Trump people, and people of color.

I will be staying home on election day. There is no one I can vote for.

 

I agree that we cannot know.

That said, I don't think we can take somebody at their word. The reason is that Scripture indicates we take them by their fruit and treat them accordingly.

If they are living for the flesh then we treat them as if they are lost.

The difference is that we hate even the garments of those appearing to live for the flesh while professing to be saved. They are "given over to Satan" in the hopes they will change.

I can't see a reason to doubt Carter's faith.

 

Matthew 7:17-20, Matthew 7:3-5, 1Corinthians 5:12, Matthew 18:15-17, 1 Corinthians 5:1-3.

Christians are to associate with wicked men because we are in the world. BUT Christians are to have nothing to do with wicked men who profess Christ.

 

You will not find it. The Bible was written primarily in Hebrew and Greek.

There are verses stating that a man is judged by his fruit, that God will judge peoples works, and that Christians are not to associate with wicked men professing Christ.

Saying that Christians judge by ones fruit is not a verse but a summary.

Galatians 5 tells us the fruits of the Spirit, and that Christians walk in the Spirit (to walk in the flesh is death).

Use your discernment.

You present a church that has to accept the wicked if the wicked profess Christ. I believe that attitude again nat church discipline is wrong.

Christians need to stand against sin, against evil. We can't do that if we accept sin when accompanied by a profession of faith.

 

Those who know God as their Father must also remember that God will also judge them impartially according to their works, and for this reason have a "fear" that causes them to do the good works for which they were saved to do.

That is what Peter wrote to Christians.

What do we do with that (how does the fact that we are to conduct our lives knowing that God will judge us according to our works)?

1 Peter 1:17–19 If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.

 

To clarify (so I know exactly what you are saying):

Are you claiming that those who address God as Father are not addressing God who will impartially judge according to each ones works, that we are not to conduct ourselves in fear; knowing we were redeemed by the blood of Christ?


1 Peter 1:17–19 If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.

 

I am specifically asking why you believe Scripture stated that those who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ, those who call God "Father", will be impartially judged by God according to their works if it is false.

Is the reason you believe that passage wrong because of Robert Hawker?