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    God did not "need" to "call" God the Son, the Son of God. God the Father sent God the Son, John 17:3.

    Jesus is praying to God the Father, one of the three Persons of the "only True God," and saying that Jesus as Christ was sent by God the Father so that the redeemed would have eternal life, which includes a relationship with God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
     
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    You are insisting on calling the Son of God, "God the Son." God called His Son God, but never "God the Son."
     
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    And you see to resist clearly indemnifying the Son of God as God the Son Jesus taught we should speak clearly, plainly and boldly, with our yest meaning yes and our no meaning no.

    In the orthodox rendering of the Trinity, the wording is God in three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each of these three Persons is God, thus God the Son.
     
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    God who calls His Son God, never called Him, "God the Son." Nowhere in His written word. Psalms 45:6-7.
     
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    Please address the issue: The orthodox rendering of the Trinity, the wording is God in three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each of these three Persons is God, thus God the Son is clearly taught in scripture.
     
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    God is the Father. The Word is both with God and was God, John 1:1-2. And as the Son appears for God, John 1:18; John 14:6. God calls His Son God, and the Son has a God, Hebrews 1:8-9, Psalms 45:6-7.
    God is Spirit, and all three of His Persons, John 4:24, Romans 8:9, Romans 8:16.
    There is only one true God, John 17:3, Ephesians 4:6; 1 Corinthians 8:6, Mark 12:24.
    1 Timothy 2:5. Hebrews 13:8, John 14:6.
     
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    LOL, is God the Son clearly taught in scripture. Yes or No?
     
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    No. Because the Father is God and the Father is not the Son, which would be Modalism.
     
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    Thanks for answering, but Baptists believe that the Son is God. God in Three Persons, does not mean God is displayed among three Persons, shifting back and forth. It means all three Persons are always God.
     
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    Duh. It is Baptist teaching that the Son of God is both the Son of God and God too. In the incarnation became the Son of man. Did not cease to be God.
     
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    On one hand you say "No. Because the Father is God and not the Son, which would be ." Here you say the Son is not God.
    But on the other hand, you say the Son is God too.

    God the Son is a clear statement that the Son of God is God too.
     
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    Wrong.
    God the Son is not Biblical. It is explicitly of two errors: Tritheism and Modalism.

    John 1:1-2, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

    Note, with God is being someone other than God. And was God is being God.
    The Word is identified as the Son, John 1:18, Proverbs 30:4, John 14:6; 1 Timothy 2:5.

    The Word, who is the Son of God is both someone other than God with God and was God too.

    Not Tritheism. Not Modalism.
     
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    You are indeed wrong, God the Son is the Son of God. He was both with God, (the Father) and was God (the Son). To be with God (the Son with the Father) as separate Persons of the Trinity.
    And stop your claims this view is Tritheism or Modalism. That claim is utterly bogus nonsense.
     
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    @Van, you want to claim I am wrong, you had better be able it show my actual view and then demonstrate why it cannot be true.

    Tritheism, has God the Father, God the Son, who is the Son of God, and God the Holy Spirit.

    Modalism, has God the Father, who is God the Son, being the Son of God. And God the Father, who is God the Holy Spirit.
    Also there is the Jesus only who is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit version of Modalism.

    The Trinity is the three distinct Persons who are God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit, who are the One and the Same God whose Name is Yehwah.
     
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    Folks, did anyone see the difference between "Tritheism," and the "Trinity" doctrine of One God in three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit? The claim is that the "Trinity" doctrine denies Logos, the Second Person of the Trinity is God the Son. That, my friends, is false destructive doctrine.

    To return to reality, "Tritheism" is false doctrine claiming three Gods rather than one God in three Persons.

    "According to the modalistic concept of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not equally and eternally co-existent, but are merely three successive manifestations of God."

    The actiual Trinity doctrine is "One God in three Persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit." To deny the Trinity doctrine refers to One God, not three Gods is false doctrine, and to claim the Trinity doctrine does not refers to three Persons, equally God and eternally co-existent is false doctrine.

    The denial that God the Son is the Son of God is false doctrine. Full Stop
     
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    Where in the written word of God, is there a "God the Son?" God calls His Son God, Psalms 45:6-7, Hebrews 1:8-9. But this is not at issue or being denied.

    * Tritheism has a God the Son.

    * Modalism God is God the Son.

    * The extra Biblical Trinity has a "God the Son." And has to qualify they are not three Gods.
     
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    You response does not address reality.
    Folks, did anyone see the difference between "Tritheism," and the "Trinity" doctrine of One God in three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit? The claim is that the "Trinity" doctrine denies Logos, the Second Person of the Trinity is God the Son. That, my friends, is false destructive doctrine.

    To return to reality, "Tritheism" is false doctrine claiming three Gods rather than one God in three Persons.

    "According to the modalistic concept of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not equally and eternally co-existent, but are merely three successive manifestations of God."

    The actual Trinity doctrine is "One God in three Persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit." To deny the Trinity doctrine refers to One God, not three Gods is false doctrine, and to claim the Trinity doctrine does not refers to three Persons, equally God and eternally co-existent is false doctrine.

    The denial that God the Son is the Son of God is false doctrine. Full Stop
     
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    Failed.
     
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    Two things.

    1) Trinity is the name of the explanation that the three distinct Persons, God the Father, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit are One and the Same God.

    2) And from the link, "Understanding the nature of the Trinity is a difficult and challenging task. . . ."
     
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