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Predestination is clearly a NT doctrine but not with the definition you use. Believers are elected by God the Father after they have been baptized in the body of Christ by the Spirit. God the Father elects them because they are in the Son and he has elected the Son before the world (time) began.

Mt 25:19 After a long time <5550> the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began <5550>,

Eph 1:Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

The blessings of God the Father are "in Christ," not before.

 

This might illustrate the problem. I don't consider you an enemy and you don't know me well enough to consider me one. I've gone round and round with several of the guys on here and we joke about it later. Go back and look at your posts to everyone just in this thread. You have some serious issues you need to work out.

 

No, I argue for correct exposition of scripture. Calvinism has zero influence on my interpretation of scripture.

 

Thank you for your kind and gracious words but does this last paragraph negate all your previous criticism. Surely you are not suggesting that one must read Bob's commentary or else be all those things you accused me of? Would you agree that my first underlined point above was my argument that you say was stupid? If all I need is the naked word of God, why do I need Bob?

Your arguments and conclusions are schizophrenic..

And by the way, one cannot improve on the doctrines of God. God's idea was to establish LOCAL churches and assign called men to fill the offices. He would equip them and this idea of having national pastors and para church groups and such like that we have today has led to perfect chaos and confusion. It is very rare here when someone brags on their own pastor.

 

@CJP69 please remember that we are all Christian brothers here. I do not hold the same views as KY or Dave but I would not refer to them the way you have.

 

I do not think anyone on here would say the bible is not the standard that we are to judge other works by. I was taught that the bible is it's own best commentary but even then we can use works by gifted men to help us to better understand the bible.

I do not read or speak any of the biblical languages but I have access to those that do through the various commentaries and dictionaries I have. Why should I not use them as the tools they were meant to be?

 

I was speaking of commentaries only, not other Bible study aids. Most commentaries are written by people who I disagree with on elementary theology and who uses various Bible translations. Why would I want to trust these guys?

I think I generally like the attitude and spirit of DaveXR650 but do you think I would be interested in reading his Bible commentary if he wrote one that is devoted to teach Christian doctrine or explain the Bible? I trow not! Commentaries can be a form of brain washing and most are not worth the time. It seems like Bob and I already agree on things so I will probably not invest in his book.

 

Even reading someone you disagree with can at times be helpful. I have commentaries from both pro calvinism and pro bible views. When I read through a work that presents a different view I find it makes me dig deeper into what the bible says so actually strengthens by biblical view.

I have found that when compared to scripture the arguments put forward in support of calvinism are not that compelling. Now of course I would expect those that hold to a calvinist view would disagree with me and that is their right. But it does not make them right.

 

You're now on ignore, and I've reported your vitriolic chutzpah.

 

That is a personal choice I honor, but there was a time for me when they were no longer helpful. They do not provoke unity. We all pick and choose whose commentaries we buy and the divide becomes more intense. I say there is more advantage for learning the words and ways of God from the scriptures rather than from high profile scholars.

 

The bible is the standard as I indicated. But since I do not know the languages of the bible it is necessary to use the resources that one has available to further the study of scripture.

 

Just the very unChristian attitude that comes through in those words is disheartening. We are to turn the other cheek not strike the other cheek.

Why do you feel it is necessary to respond that way?

Just look at your response to KY in post # 118.

You have stepped over the line when you question another's salvation just because they do not think as you do.

KY is NOT a heretic. I would call him misguided or misinformed but he still trusts in God for his salvation.

Have I mentioned that we need to be more civil on this board? Yes. The tone can get rather heated by times and we all need to step back and remember that we are all members of one body.

 

So, let me follow your logic and reasoning. You reason that God has not preserved his words and so you defer to those who know the original languages in spite of the fact that scholars have no more confidence in the source manuscripts than you do in their translations from them. All the foot notes they include proves it.

So We read commentaries by men who do not believe their translations they hold in their hands and go to prove their doctrines from men who are unsure about the manuscripts they have translated resulting in no one really having a standard.

Satan has been successful in these last days to reduce the scriptures to the wisdom of men and the result is what God condemned in first Corinthians and addressed in chapters. 1-3.

 

If I were allowed to guess I would guess that what you have written is what Bod said even though some of what you said is illogical. Does this mean Bob has trouble with logic at times?

 

You are learning well from the calvinists that you claim to dislike. You twist whatever someone says so that you can continue to justify your view. Really sad there JD.

I am sure we can look forward to your enlightened commentary that will correct all the errors of all those scholars that just do not know anything about the ancient languages.

Your arrogance is showing there JD. You need to remember that God loves the humble and judges the proud.

 

Well, Silverhair, I apologize for offending you. I must always remember that the scriptures are for Christians and men must choose what they think is the word of God after they are saved. The scriptures will not help unsaved men to be saved, it takes the gospel of Jesus Christ to do that. Saved men can preach the gospel in their own words, yea, they must preach it in their own words because preaching the gospel is basically a saved man telling someone who is not saved what happened to them and they can be saved the same way. Here are a couple statements from heaven that proves that;

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Notice in V18 it is the preaching of the cross, not the word that gets sinners saved. This is an important distinction. Everyone must come to the cross of Jesus Christ to be saved.

I read many of your comments on here and generally agree with what you say. What Bible you carry is of no consequence to me and I can fellowship with you as a brother if it is your testimony you have been saved by believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. However, Our fellowship will not be as members of a local church that has a statement of faith and constitution that includes the definition of the authority of God for faith and practice being in one Bible in one place because as much as I like you, you cannot and will not say it is. I think you will not confess that there is a Bible in the world, whether hand copied or printed, that is as Jesus Christ is, perfect. Yet in the OT and the NT he comes to his prophets so they can give his words he gives them a voice. His name that was revealed in Gen 15 is Lord GOD (Adonay Jehovah) and his title is "the word of the LORD," (Jehovah). When the scriptures say the word of the LORD came unto such and such saying, he means a person came and that person was Jesus Christ.

1Sa 3:7 Now Samuel did not yet know the LORD, neither was the word of the LORD yet revealed unto him.
1Sa 3:21 And the LORD appeared again in Shiloh: for the LORD revealed himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the word of the LORD.

For instance - Eze has the title the word of the LORD coming to Ezekiel in 60 verses. He has The Lord GOD in 205 times.

Here is who he is according to my scripture authority.

Ps 110:1 «A Psalm of David.» The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Here is NT confirmation of this truth;

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

I have scriptural precedent that God's preacher used scripture with authority to confirm what God said and of whom he said it and I have confidence that God has not changed his person or his ways.

So we will just have to disagree about what the word of God is.