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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Brightfame52, May 19, 2024.

  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    BF you have proven nothing in regard to your view except that you read into scripture what you need to find.

    All this verse shows is that Christ died for our sins and because He was raised we can be justified. It does not limit who's sins or whom can be justified or even why.
    Now if you step back a verse you see that the condition for justification is belief in God.

    You are insistent that your view is correct so surely you have numerous clear contextual scriptures to prove your point.

    But since you have failed to provide any scripture I have to conclude that it is not scripture you are trusting. So the question is, why do you believe the system that you say is the truth?

    BF by your last comment "those for whom sins He was delivered for, are Justified for it." you are saying you believe in universalism.

    It seems you are the one that has been deceived BF.
     
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    Brightfame52 Well-Known Member

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    Scriptures that indicate Justification in the Name of the Lord, which is Justification based upon the Merits, Person, and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. All of who He is in His Glorious Person and what He finished and accomplished for His People resulted in their Justification before God. Another scripture that reveals this is Rom 4:25

    Who was delivered for or because of our offences, and was raised again for or because of our justification.

    Christ resurrection is proof/evidence that those for whom sins He was delivered for, are Justified for it. This is based Solely upon His Person and Work, so its justification in His Name!
     
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    Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

    28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

    29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


    Brother Glen:)
     
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    You are just repeating the same failed idea BF. Provide contextual biblical proof or your ideas.

    Why do you have such a hard time in accepting the truths of scripture. Biblical text shows your view is wrong and yet you cling to that man-made philosophy.
     
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    Truth needs repeating in the days of this great falling away !
     
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    But you have provided no truth. Where are the contextual scriptures that you think support your view.

    The difference between what you do and what I do is that I provide scripture to support my biblical view and you provide nothing to support your man-made view that you say is biblical but in fact is not.
     
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    Its proved, you are unable to receive it, thats not my job.
     
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    @Brightfame52 you have yet to provide any contextual scripture that supports your position so how can you say it is proven?

    What has been proven is that you can not support your position from scripture so it must just be a man-made view. So the question you need to answer is why do you deny clear scripture and hold to a false doctrine?
     
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    Scriptures that indicate Justification in the Name of the Lord, which is Justification based upon the Merits, Person, and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. All of who He is in His Glorious Person and what He finished and accomplished for His People resulted in their Justification before God. Another scripture that reveals this is Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    Here Paul says that many shall be/are made righteous/justified by the obedience of One, that One being the Lord Jesus Christ. This the many being made righteous resulted solely of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. Their Faith, had nothing to do with it, because then it would need read by the Obedience of Two the many were made righteous since Faith is an act of obedience,

    Rom 16:26

    But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

    Rom 10:16

    But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
     
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    BF anything you say regarding salvation goes off the rails as soon as you say "Their Faith, had nothing to do with it,"
    Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

    Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

    Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

    Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

    And just in case you did not understand those verses here is another one by Paul

    Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

    And in John
    Joh 3:14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;
    Joh 3:15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
    Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
    Joh 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
    Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    We are saved by God because we trust in the faithful one. No faith no salvation.
    Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

    Your following a man-made philosophy that as has been shown by your posts cherry picks verses out of context in the attempt to support it.

    You continue to fail in your attempt to prove your stated view.
     
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    Scriptures that indicate Justification in the Name of the Lord, which is Justification based upon the Merits, Person, and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. All of who He is in His Glorious Person and what He finished and accomplished for His People resulted in their Justification before God. Another scripture that reveals this is Rom 3:24

    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    This justification is the result of Christ's redemptive payment of the ransom. This ransom payment delivered, released those He died for from debt, the debt their sins incurred against Gods Law and Justice.

    So this being Justified in the Name of the Lord, Justified solely on the basis of the Work Of Christ, by which His death for them on the Cross, it satisfied the debt of Justice due for everyone He represented. Christ alone deserves full credit for this Justification through the redemption in His Blood. Anything beyond this is arguing against His Blood ! 2
     
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    Your words here BF "This ransom payment delivered, released those He died for from debt, the debt their sins incurred against Gods Law and Justice."

    So you are a universalist. That is a false doctrine. But you have been saying a number of things that do not align with scripture. Plus you do ignore verses that show the error of your theology.

    That is the outcome of your cherry picking verses rather than trusting the whole of scripture. From what you have shown your whole theology is based on just a few out of context verses. It is no surprise that you have a false understanding of salvation.
     
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    More opposition to the Truth
     
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    Have you actually read the bible or just a few select verses that you are told support your errant view?

    Your refusal to accept what the bible clearly teaches you will condemn you. I have provide numerous verses that show you the error of your view and you just ignore them.

    You are trusting in man rather than the bible. You stubborn pride will be your undoing.
     
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    More opposition to the Truth, Im giving you scripture every time.
     
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    BF out of context scripture does not support your case.But you do deny clear contextual scripture because it shows your view is error.
     
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    you cant receive it
     
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    Your non answers accomplish nothing BF except to show that you have not contextual biblical support for your errant view.

    For someone that has written such long posts surely you have actual clear biblical support.Your cherry picking of out of context verses do not work BF. But I am sure you will continue with you silly comments.

    I really do not have the time or patience to deal with those that will not make thoughtful biblically supported responses. If you can not do that then I see no further reason to respond to your posts.
     
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    You cant receive my views and explanations
     
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    You stated that wrong BF. I do not accept the calvinist views and explanations as they do not agree with the biblical text.

    You are attempting to promote calvinism rather than the bible.

    But as you will not not make thoughtful biblically supported responses. I will leave you to your philosophy.
     
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